bfelt 0 #1 September 28, 2015 I'm looking to change the 2 attachment belts to one's that are in an otter (single attachment seat belts). Has anyone done this?Seven Hills Skydivers of Madison, WI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #2 September 28, 2015 Contact Gary Peek ("peek" usename) He'll probably know.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peek 20 #3 September 29, 2015 bfeltI'm looking to change the 2 attachment belts to one's that are in an otter (single attachment seat belts). Has anyone done this? I have a C182 where I added one tag-line seatbelt for the forwardmost jumper, but left the two section belt installed (so the two section belt could be used normally with the seat installed.) It was done as a Minor Alteration with a logbook entry and Weight and Balance change. Best for you would be to contact someone who has done a replacement on an airplane like you have. (Just to add some doubt in everyone's mind about doing this, it has been suggested that the seatbelt attachment points in a C182 are not rated for the full load of a person, but only half the load, being normally used for one side of a two belt system.) Clear as mud, you ask? Yes, this stuff is difficult to figure out sometimes. You will also get more info if you ask on one of the Diver Driver Facebook pages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bfelt 0 #4 September 29, 2015 Thanks. Ya, I have considered the seat belt attachment and was asking. John King said he has done this so I will talk to him. thanks againQuoteSeven Hills Skydivers of Madison, WI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bfelt 0 #5 September 29, 2015 Thanks - he replied and has not done this. But John King has and I will talk to him.Seven Hills Skydivers of Madison, WI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites totter 2 #6 September 30, 2015 Paul Fayard has done this. His set up used a quick release cargo ring the attach to the Douglas style seat/cargo track. This is the track found in King Airs, Caravans and Twin Otters. Basically the cargo ring was cut so that the two seatbelt halves could be inserted and then the ring was welded closed again. (Sorry, no pictures) The couple jump mods that I did used a variation of this by using seat belts that had the clip hook at the attach end. This way you don't have to worry about welding and retaining the strength of the original ring. (If your not familiar with this it is a snap hook that can be ordered as the attach end from the manufacture. It has a small hole at the clip to insert a cotter pin so that the hook doesn't release). The two planes I did were N7581F and N2000E. $15 and a request to OK City will get you all the records on file so you actually can have a hard copy of the 337. NOTE: The seat belts were not on a stand alone 337, but were part of the larger configuration change 337 to carry more people, i.e. Jumpers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bfelt 0 #7 September 30, 2015 Thanks, but this then requires the addition of the cargo track, which may be expensive...Seven Hills Skydivers of Madison, WI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites totter 2 #8 October 1, 2015 I'm assuming when you say "otter" that you mean a Twin Otter? It should have the seat track in it, unless they've been removed. Or are you looking to attach the belts to the side wall? Seat track / cargo track are the same thing, just as a note.n Edited to add: Just looked on Aircraft Spruce's web site and they sell the Brownline seat track at $78.95/ 4' section. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites theonlyski 3 #9 October 1, 2015 totterI'm assuming when you say "otter" that you mean a Twin Otter? It should have the seat track in it, unless they've been removed. Or are you looking to attach the belts to the side wall? Seat track / cargo track are the same thing, just as a note.n Edited to add: Just looked on Aircraft Spruce's web site and they sell the Brownline seat track at $78.95/ 4' section. He's talking about adding the Twin Otter style skydiving seat belts (one point attachments) to a Cessna."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bfelt 0 #10 October 1, 2015 This is exactly what I want to do to our Cessna 182 for the forward jumper (and the other jumpers too). Did you have to do a 337 for the full load question for the seat belt attachment point? Our other seat belt attachment points are the same, being in the floor. The Minor Alteration is a 337 - what tail number did you do this on? thanksSeven Hills Skydivers of Madison, WI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 558 #11 October 1, 2015 How strong are Cessna (180 series) seat rails compared with the cargo rails installed in Twin Otters, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites totter 2 #12 October 3, 2015 Thanks for the correction. I missed the word "that's" and just read "in a otter". Does make a difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
bfelt 0 #5 September 29, 2015 Thanks - he replied and has not done this. But John King has and I will talk to him.Seven Hills Skydivers of Madison, WI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
totter 2 #6 September 30, 2015 Paul Fayard has done this. His set up used a quick release cargo ring the attach to the Douglas style seat/cargo track. This is the track found in King Airs, Caravans and Twin Otters. Basically the cargo ring was cut so that the two seatbelt halves could be inserted and then the ring was welded closed again. (Sorry, no pictures) The couple jump mods that I did used a variation of this by using seat belts that had the clip hook at the attach end. This way you don't have to worry about welding and retaining the strength of the original ring. (If your not familiar with this it is a snap hook that can be ordered as the attach end from the manufacture. It has a small hole at the clip to insert a cotter pin so that the hook doesn't release). The two planes I did were N7581F and N2000E. $15 and a request to OK City will get you all the records on file so you actually can have a hard copy of the 337. NOTE: The seat belts were not on a stand alone 337, but were part of the larger configuration change 337 to carry more people, i.e. Jumpers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bfelt 0 #7 September 30, 2015 Thanks, but this then requires the addition of the cargo track, which may be expensive...Seven Hills Skydivers of Madison, WI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
totter 2 #8 October 1, 2015 I'm assuming when you say "otter" that you mean a Twin Otter? It should have the seat track in it, unless they've been removed. Or are you looking to attach the belts to the side wall? Seat track / cargo track are the same thing, just as a note.n Edited to add: Just looked on Aircraft Spruce's web site and they sell the Brownline seat track at $78.95/ 4' section. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #9 October 1, 2015 totterI'm assuming when you say "otter" that you mean a Twin Otter? It should have the seat track in it, unless they've been removed. Or are you looking to attach the belts to the side wall? Seat track / cargo track are the same thing, just as a note.n Edited to add: Just looked on Aircraft Spruce's web site and they sell the Brownline seat track at $78.95/ 4' section. He's talking about adding the Twin Otter style skydiving seat belts (one point attachments) to a Cessna."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bfelt 0 #10 October 1, 2015 This is exactly what I want to do to our Cessna 182 for the forward jumper (and the other jumpers too). Did you have to do a 337 for the full load question for the seat belt attachment point? Our other seat belt attachment points are the same, being in the floor. The Minor Alteration is a 337 - what tail number did you do this on? thanksSeven Hills Skydivers of Madison, WI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #11 October 1, 2015 How strong are Cessna (180 series) seat rails compared with the cargo rails installed in Twin Otters, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
totter 2 #12 October 3, 2015 Thanks for the correction. I missed the word "that's" and just read "in a otter". Does make a difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
