Justice Breyer to retire

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16 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Probably goes back to college days. Republicans would be all copy/paste of their papers. While the democrats would write their own.

No you didn't. :)

Biden Admits Plagiarism in School But Says It Was Not 'Malevolent'

 

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2 hours ago, billeisele said:

lol    The key word being "indictments." If only all politicians were pursued as vehemently as others. 
 

From Bigun's most excellent source, here's some actual information. Note that not all convictions were for official corruption types of offenses; there's also pornography, banking violations, etc. I didn't include judicial branch, because not all have party affiliations listed.

Pres	Exec R	Leg R	Exec D	Leg D
Nixon	11	3		2
Ford	1			4
Carter		2		3
Reagan	4	4		11
Bush 1	1	2		2
Clinton		2	3	8
Bush 2	8	4		3
Obama		5		5
Trump			1

For totals of: 25 Republican Executive branch members 

                    4 Democratic Executive branch members

                    22 Republican Legislative branch members

                    38 Democratic Legislative branch members

In addition, Obama had two Executive branch members who are officially unaffiliated -- David Petraeus (who's now registered as a Republican in NH), and an initiative director with a common name who was convicted of voyeurism.

So, actual information. The legislative convictions are generally not as much of a reflection on the President, but I'd have to say that the executive ones do kind of reflect the tone set.

It's early days for the Trump presidency, and while there's an entry for Biden's presidency already, it's way early for his as well.

Not good numbers no matter how you look at them.

Wendy P.

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8 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Not good numbers no matter how you look at them.

They are not. There should be a separate matrix for incarcerating those in a leadership position. 

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18 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

From Bigun's most excellent source, here's some actual information. Note that not all convictions were for official corruption types of offenses; there's also pornography, banking violations, etc. I didn't include judicial branch, because not all have party affiliations listed.

Pres	Exec R	Leg R	Exec D	Leg D
Nixon	11	3		2
Ford	1			4
Carter		2		3
Reagan	4	4		11
Bush 1	1	2		2
Clinton		2	3	8
Bush 2	8	4		3
Obama		5		5
Trump			1

For totals of: 25 Republican Executive branch members 

                    4 Democratic Executive branch members

                    22 Republican Legislative branch members

                    38 Democratic Legislative branch members

In addition, Obama had two Executive branch members who are officially unaffiliated -- David Petraeus (who's now registered as a Republican in NH), and an initiative director with a common name who was convicted of voyeurism.

So, actual information. The legislative convictions are generally not as much of a reflection on the President, but I'd have to say that the executive ones do kind of reflect the tone set.

Not good numbers no matter how you look at them.

Wendy P.

 

The number "1" for Trump seems to miss the fact that a bunch of his cronies were convicted and then pardoned, and some are still under investigation.

Manafort

Gates

Flynn

Cohen

Stone

Papadopoulos

Kurson

Lewandowski

Bannon

Parscale

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3 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

From Bigun's most excellent source,...

Not good numbers no matter how you look at them.

Wendy P.

 

Not good, I agree. I'd also concur that its equal for all political parties. I believe that there is a certain sense of entitlement for politicians. This is a good little read on how and why some voters vote for politicians with criminal propensities. Its from the Wharton school(trump's infamous alma mater). Its about corruption in Indian politics/democracy.

But it makes many relevant points which are obvious elsewhere: “Voters … often support candidates with criminal reputations, not in spite of their criminal bona fides, but because of them.” ... politicians will never have an incentive to strengthen the justice system because it serves their interest to keep it weak so that these cases just drag on and on. And of course, the implications of a weak justice system are not just for the politicians; they affect all aspects of life."

I see this in Canada as well with our current Liberal government, NDP governments and conservatives.

20 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

They are not. There should be a separate matrix for incarcerating those in a leadership position. 

Absolutely. But the implementation of such statutes are made by the politicians themselves. They are reluctant to cut their own throats. Hence the old saw "For my friends anything. For my enemies the law".

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Mitch McConnell says he will vote against having a black woman on the Supreme Court.