JerryBaumchen 1,041 #1 Posted January 7, 2022 Hi folks, IMO well deserved: Ahmaud Arbery’s killers get life in prison; no parole for father, son - oregonlive.com Jerry Baumchen 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,101 #2 January 7, 2022 Well deserved. I cannot imagine hating another race so much that it would land me in and my son in prison for the rest of our lives. And to think that this almost all got swept under the rug. The Justice system had swept this all under the rug.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,329 #3 January 8, 2022 (edited) One of the more incredible (there are lots of other adjectives that can also apply) is that the reason the case gained 'traction' was because the dad gave the video taken by the third guy to an attorney. It was then leaked, intending to show that the murder was justified. The outcry from that made the attorney pull the video very quickly, but it was already too late. If those dipshits weren't stupid enough to think that what they did was ok (neither the father nor son has expressed any remorse), they may never have been prosecuted. Edited January 8, 2022 by wolfriverjoe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,101 #4 January 8, 2022 The then District Attorney, who made this all go away initially, now is facing criminal charges. If she goes to jail, that would be some actual justice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,362 #5 January 8, 2022 It couldn't have happened to nicer people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,030 #6 January 8, 2022 2 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: IMO well deserved Evening Jerry, There are some crimes that make me question my position on the Death Penalty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,041 #7 January 8, 2022 2 hours ago, BIGUN said: Evening Jerry, There are some crimes that make me question my position on the Death Penalty. Hi Keith, We think alike. However, I am beginning to agree with Andy9o8, an attorney who used to post a lot here. He was against the death penalty unless one killed or was responsible for a killing while incarcerated. IMO not a bad position to take. Jerry Baumchen 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,329 #8 January 8, 2022 21 hours ago, BIGUN said: Evening Jerry, There are some crimes that make me question my position on the Death Penalty. I think there are some crimes that clearly deserve the death penalty. However, it can be easily shown that the DP is applied to poor minorities at rates well above representation in court cases. The fact that the prosecutor didn't seek it in this case (three white defendants, one black victim) says a lot. That's why I'm against it. Not that I don't think certain people deserve it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,041 #9 January 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said: I think there are some crimes that clearly deserve the death penalty. However, it can be easily shown that the DP is applied to poor minorities at rates well above representation in court cases. The fact that the prosecutor didn't seek it in this case (three white defendants, one black victim) says a lot.That's why I'm against it. Not that I don't think certain people deserve it. Hi Joe, I do agree. However, I am also against it because: - IMO it is barbaric - It is not necessary to protect society - The finality of it - No matter what new information is later discovered - Consider what these people have found out over the years: Innocence Project - Help us put an end to wrongful convictions! Jerry Baumchen PS) While in Basic Training ( a couple of lifetimes ago ), SSGT Willocks told us that he considered life in prison a worse sentence than the death penalty. That is when I began seriously thinking about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,889 #10 January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Joe, I do agree. However, I am also against it because: - IMO it is barbaric - It is not necessary to protect society Yes, and it is too much power to give the government. There are definitely criminals that I do not feel the least bit sorry for when they are executed. But I feel even more sorry for the people who have to run the machinery of death. A nation that has capital punishment is one that turns it's own people into killers. And as you say, at this time we don't need it. Unless someone kills my loved one that is. Quite a paradox. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,101 #11 January 10, 2022 On 1/7/2022 at 7:22 PM, JerryBaumchen said: However, I am beginning to agree with Andy9o8, an attorney who used to post a lot here. He was against the death penalty unless one killed or was responsible for a killing while incarcerated. Pretty sure that was Lawrocket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,041 #12 January 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Pretty sure that was Lawrocket. Hi Sky, Never to say that my memory is perfect. But, that was Andy9o8. I remember because it made me rethink my position on the death penalty. Jerry Baumchen 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,030 #13 January 10, 2022 Brothers, they both said just about the same thing at different times in different forum threads together. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 336 #14 January 10, 2022 I miss them both. I didn't always agree with them, especially Lawrocket, but they both always made me think about my position on things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,329 #15 January 10, 2022 52 minutes ago, GeorgiaDon said: I miss them both. I didn't always agree with them, especially Lawrocket, but they both always made me think about my position on things. They were both able to debate rationally & intelligently. They had positions that they were able to back up with facts & data (and linked stuff that was relevant and trustworthy). Both were articulate & polite while doing so. I didn't always agree with either of them, but I enjoyed learning how they felt about stuff & why. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,041 #16 January 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, GeorgiaDon said: I miss them both. I didn't always agree with them, especially Lawrocket, but they both always made me think about my position on things. Hi Don, I also miss them both. I learned a lot from both of them. Jerry Baumchen PS) I also learn a lot when 'discussing' things with my son. He can & does take me to task. Edited January 10, 2022 by JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #17 January 12, 2022 On 1/10/2022 at 3:56 PM, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Don, I also miss them both. I learned a lot from both of them. Jerry Baumchen PS) I also learn a lot when 'discussing' things with my son. He can & does take me to task. I miss rushmc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 51 #18 January 12, 2022 43 minutes ago, kallend said: I miss rushmc. What happened to him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 253 #19 January 12, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, kallend said: I miss rushmc. Yeah the current trolls just don't have the same class. Edit: their general literacy is much improved however.... Edited January 12, 2022 by Stumpy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites