gowlerk 1,889 #151 January 14, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, olofscience said: All of a sudden the NOAA is ignored, maybe because they're saying this in their 2021 summary: Random blogger, or NOAA? Man, I'm torn... NOAA has an agenda. From their website. How can anyone trust a government agency with such a mission statement? Our mission To understand and predict changes in climate, weather, ocean, and coasts, to share that knowledge and information with others, and to conserve and manage coastal and marine ecosystems and resources. Edited January 14, 2022 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,089 #152 January 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, gowlerk said: NOAA has an agenda. From their website: Our mission To understand and predict changes in climate, weather, ocean, and coasts, to share that knowledge and information with others, and to conserve and manage coastal and marine ecosystems and resources. I don't see "preserve capital, support industry, and maintain maximum degree of comfort" on there. What good is it? Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #153 January 14, 2022 4 hours ago, olofscience said: All of a sudden the NOAA is ignored, maybe because they're saying this in their 2021 summary: Random blogger, or NOAA? Man, I'm torn... Glad you mentioned NOAA, they confirm the cooling continues. 2021 is colder not warmer than five out of the last six years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,101 #154 January 14, 2022 Yeah that chart clearly shows there is a long cooling trend..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #155 January 14, 2022 1 minute ago, SkyDekker said: Yeah that chart clearly shows there is a long cooling trend..... Half a decade, despite record levels of CO2. Obviously the climate’s sensitivity to elevated levels of CO2 is not as great as climate crybabies claimed. (How’s that for an alliteration?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,030 #156 January 14, 2022 39 minutes ago, brenthutch said: (How’s that for an alliteration?) You spelled it wrong. It's obfuscation. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,101 #157 January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: Half a decade, despite record levels of CO2. Obviously the climate’s sensitivity to elevated levels of CO2 is not as great as climate crybabies claimed. (How’s that for an alliteration?) Like I said, a long cooling trend. You are really proving your point! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #158 January 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Like I said, a long cooling trend. You are really proving your point! Trends can be manipulated. I will keep it simple. The globe is cooler than it was six years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 419 #159 January 14, 2022 As per brent's argument: as december approaches => it gets colder => but CO2 has increased slightly! It means CO2 has no effect on climate! If CO2 had an effect, this winter would have been warmer than the summer! Luckily, unlike brent, people can fit it into their minds that there can be more than one factor that affects the temperature. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 419 #160 January 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: I will keep it simple. Stop kidding yourself, edited to remove personal attack -- the caveat is too little, too late (edit: meaning in terms of data analysis) Edited January 14, 2022 by wmw999 remove personal attack 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 896 #161 January 14, 2022 7 hours ago, BIGUN said: Do you not understand that you're embarrassing yourself? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #162 January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, olofscience said: 1 hour ago, olofscience said: As per brent's argument: as december approaches => it gets colder => but CO2 has increased slightly! It means CO2 has no effect on climate! If CO2 had an effect, this winter would have been warmer than the summer! Luckily, unlike brent, people can fit it into their minds that there can be more than one factor that affects the temperature. That is why I use NOAA’s data for the entire year. That’s right, the whole globe for the whole year...end result….COLDER! I don’t know why this simple fact is so upsetting to you. You should be relieved at the lack of warming not angry. “More than one factor” is what I have been saying for YEARS, it is Michael Mann and company who rule out natural variability and claim CO2 is a veritable thermostat for the planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,101 #163 January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: Trends can be manipulated. I will keep it simple. The globe is cooler than it was six years ago. Yup, and significantly hotter than 120 years ago. In life there are people who can see a big picture and there are those who can only handle one little moment at a time. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #164 January 14, 2022 20 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Yup, and significantly hotter than 120 years ago. And Cooler than 1000 years ago. And cooler than it was 2000+ years ago when Hannibal crossed the Alps on the backs of elephants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,101 #165 January 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, brenthutch said: And Cooler than 1000 years ago. I have a feeling you are cherry picking again....probably trying to compare local temp to global temp. In life there are people who can see a big picture and there are those who can only handle one little moment at a time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #166 January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, SkyDekker said: I have a feeling you are cherry picking again....probably trying to compare local temp to global temp. In life there are people who can see a big picture and there are those who can only handle one little moment at a time. Agreed, of course the “big picture” covers millennium not just a century. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,101 #167 January 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Agreed, of course the “big picture” covers millennium not just a century. Weird, you started your masterpiece by saying 5 years was enough to show that CO2 didn't raise temperatures. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #168 January 15, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Weird, you started your masterpiece by saying 5 years was enough to show that CO2 didn't raise temperatures. No, I said CO2 is not as much of an influence on global temperature as “climate crybabies claimed” This should not be a surprise, even M. Mann said that CO2 could only go so far to raise temperatures, his hockey stick theory depended on reinforcing factors to kick in and amplify the greenhouse effect (lower ice and snow cover reducing albedo, more water vapor, the release of methane hydrides, cloud cover trapping heat etc.). As you can clearly see despite rising CO2, temperatures have failed to “hockey stick”, I’m sorry if that upsets you. Edited January 15, 2022 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,101 #169 January 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, brenthutch said: No, I said CO2 is not as much of an influence on global temperature as “climate crybabies claimed” This should not be a surprise, even M. Mann said that CO2 could only go so far to raise temperatures, his hockey stick theory depended on reinforcing factors to kick in and amplify the greenhouse effect (lower ice and snow cover reducing albedo, more water vapor, the release of methane hydrides, cloud cover trapping heat etc.). As you can clearly see despite rising CO2, temperatures have failed to “hockey stick”, I’m sorry if that upsets you. I think the big picture is probably a little bigger than just "climate crybabies". But then again, in life there are people who can see a big picture and there are those who can only handle one little moment at a time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #170 January 15, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: I think the big picture is probably a little bigger than just "climate crybabies". But then again, in life there are people who can see a big picture and there are those who can only handle one little moment at a time. If you want to get big, let’s talk about CO2 and temperatures on a geological scale. Nothing that we are experiencing now is unprecedented nor catastrophic. If you want to believe the sky is falling go tell Henny Penny, but please spare me. Edited January 15, 2022 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,356 #171 January 15, 2022 3 hours ago, brenthutch said: This should not be a surprise, even M. Mann said that CO2 could only go so far to raise temperatures, his hockey stick theory depended on reinforcing factors to kick in and amplify the greenhouse effect Five years back you were one of the people denouncing these second order effects and saying they were imaginary and unproven, that climate loonies were making shit up to scare people. And here you are, falling back to those same effects you denounced to try to claim that CO2 isn't that significant. You are your own worst enemy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #172 January 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, billvon said: You are your own worst enemy. Disagree - he's the most effective troll on the forum. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #173 January 15, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, billvon said: Five years back you were one of the people denouncing these second order effects and saying they were imaginary and unproven, that climate loonies were making shit up to scare people. And here you are, falling back to those same effects you denounced to try to claim that CO2 isn't that significant. You are your own worst enemy. The second order effects haven’t shown up to the party (just like I said they wouldn’t) and the effect of additional CO2 is quickly diminishing as you can clearly see in the last six years of NOAA data. The only thing getting hotter is the rhetoric. Edited January 15, 2022 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,101 #174 January 15, 2022 Are we sure Brent isn’t Hannity? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites