brenthutch 383 #51 February 18, 2022 46 minutes ago, olofscience said: So...you're criticising Europe for buying and using fossil fuels from Russia...because of their rush to stop using fossil fuels? If you can't see the flaw in your argument, there's not much hope is there... It is just an observation that Europe reduced production of fossil fuels faster than the could be replaced with rainbows and unicorn farts (solar and wind) and are now faced with the unsavory proposition of being dependent on Russian energy. Maybe you can explain why Europe is dependent on Russian oil and gas when they have wind and solar? Not to mention the trillions of cubic yards of natural gas and billions of barrels of oil under their feet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 420 #52 February 18, 2022 9 hours ago, brenthutch said: reduced production of fossil fuels faster The North Sea running out of oil and gas wasn't because of solar and wind. Fracking was only a recent technology that hasn't had time to take off. Europe is dependent on Russian oil and gas because arguably, they phased out NUCLEAR energy too quickly. They had 3 choices: continue nuclear (expensive), start fracking (pretty difficult with high population density and NIMBYs) or just buy from Russia. Buying from Russia was the cheapest and easiest option at the time but was of course bad long-term planning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #53 February 18, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, olofscience said: The North Sea running out of oil and gas wasn't because of solar and wind. Fracking was only a recent technology that hasn't had time to take off. Why do you keep bringing up the North Sea? I never mentioned it. As far as fracking goes you might want to consult with some Yanks, we have been doing it for decades. I’ll help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY34PQUiwOQ NIMBY? The threat of war and freezing to death have a way of focusing the mind beyond NIMBY. Edited February 18, 2022 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #54 February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, olofscience said: They had 3 choices: continue nuclear (expensive), start fracking (pretty difficult with high population density and NIMBYs) or just buy from Russia. Buying from Russia was the cheapest and easiest option at the time but was of course bad long-term planning. Why didn’t they go with wind and solar? After all it is less expensive and more scalable. (according to you) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
