Woke is a Joke

[JerryBaumchen 1,261]

24 minutes ago, ryoder said:

But it is even funnier when he redefines existing words:

 

Hi Robert,

The first time I went to Disneyland was in the summer of 1960.

There were orange trees everywhere.

Maybe Trump visited about then.

Jerry Baumchen

[riggerrob 598]

Perhaps the problem is that so many minorities have hijacked the "woke" agenda that the original meaning ahs been lost in all the propaganda.

A quick way to confuse old-farts is to change vocabulary.

When I learned that the legal definition of "soon" as vastly different than the common definition, I lost respect for lawyers.

[jakee 1,340]

5 hours ago, riggerrob said:

Perhaps the problem is that so many minorities have hijacked the "woke" agenda that the original meaning ahs been lost in all the propaganda.

Which one of them used the woke agenda to call for Marxist policies?

To be blunt - surely you can see at this point that the problem lies with you?

[wolfriverjoe 1,461]

11 hours ago, riggerrob said:

Perhaps the problem is that so many minorities have hijacked the "woke" agenda that the original meaning ahs been lost in all the propaganda.

A quick way to confuse old-farts is to change vocabulary.

When I learned that the legal definition of "soon" as vastly different than the common definition, I lost respect for lawyers.

So what did it used to mean?
And what does it mean now?

And how did either resemble Marxism?

Your arguments are starting to resemble how the MAGA morons see 'socialism'.
They hate 'socialism'.
But if you ask one to define what 'socialism' is, they can't.
Or they are totally wrong.

And when you point to things that really are 'socialism' (Social Security in the US is the easiest), then they bluff and bluster and say 'that doesn't count'.

It's reached the point (actually reached it a while ago) that for those fools, 'socialism' means "Anything I don't like".

[gowlerk 2,097]

11 hours ago, riggerrob said:

Perhaps the problem is that so many minorities have hijacked the "woke" agenda that the original meaning ahs been lost in all the propaganda.

The meaning has been hijacked by those with an agenda of opposing change. The word is almost meaningless. I don’t really have any clear idea what you are objecting to because you aren’t really saying anything. Could you please provide specific examples of what you object to?

[winsor 220]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

The meaning has been hijacked by those with an agenda of opposing change. The word is almost meaningless. I don’t really have any clear idea what you are objecting to because you aren’t really saying anything. Could you please provide specific examples of what you object to?

Any form of "DEI."

[wmw999 2,313]

1 hour ago, winsor said:

Any form of "DEI."

Like the selection of a VP candidate because of the electorate they appeal to?

Wendy P. 

[riggerrob 598]

3 hours ago, gowlerk said:

The meaning has been hijacked by those with an agenda of opposing change. The word is almost meaningless. I don’t really have any clear idea what you are objecting to because you aren’t really saying anything. Could you please provide specific examples of what you object to?

One example is the "Gays for Palestine" who love to parade on North American streets.

Are they truly naive enough to believe that they are helping?

Do they understand that homosexuality if against the law in most Muslim nations?

The Koran prohibits love between a man and another man.

Do they understand that if they profess their "gayness" in Palestine, that they will be beaten by the mob, then arrested, beaten again by the police and thrown in jail for a few years?

What is the logic behind supporting a movement that publicly states that it wants to kill you and your type ... in this case homosexuals ... ?

[jakee 1,340]

8 minutes ago, riggerrob said:

One example is the "Gays for Palestine" who love to parade on North American streets.

Are they truly naive enough to believe that they are helping?

Lots of people protest about lots of things. It's part of living in a free country. But you chose to pick one vague and expansive group to label as Marxist, and none of us are any closer to figuring out why.

Look, you made a very specific accusation, right? One that people are trying their best to understand. And from what I can see this is the fifth reason you've given that actually has nothing at all to do with the original claim. Now without trying to be at all facetious, these appear to be the five reasons you've given so far in answer to the direct question "why is 'woke' Marxist?"

One: You don't know what it is.

Two: You don't like lawyers.

Three: WW1 set the conditions for the Bolshevik revolution in Czarist Russia.

Four: There are too many minorities and it's confusing.

Five: Islamic states tend to criminalise homosexuality.

Now, in all honesty, do you think it's likely that anyone has the faintest idea what you're trying to say right now?

[wmw999 2,313]

17 minutes ago, riggerrob said:

One example is the "Gays for Palestine" who love to parade on North American streets.

Are they truly naive enough to believe that they are helping?

Do they understand that homosexuality if against the law in most Muslim nations?

The Koran prohibits love between a man and another man.

Do they understand that if they profess their "gayness" in Palestine, that they will be beaten by the mob, then arrested, beaten again by the police and thrown in jail for a few years?

What is the logic behind supporting a movement that publicly states that it wants to kill you and your type ... in this case homosexuals ... ?

It's their problem.

Wendy P.

[billvon 2,723]

19 minutes ago, riggerrob said:

One example is the "Gays for Palestine" who love to parade on North American streets.

Are they truly naive enough to believe that they are helping?

I am reminded of the Tuskegee Airmen - black men who were fighting for a country that was still lynching them.  In the early 1940's black men could not marry white women, could not attend white schools, could not play on white sports teams and could not sit in white restaraunts.

In Mississippi there was a bridge - the Chickasawhay River bridge - that was closed, but the county kept it around for lynchings.  In 1918 four blacks were hung there; two were pregnant.  A local recalled that “people says they went down there to look at the bodies, and they still see those babies wiggling around in the bellies after those mothers was dead.”  In 1942, the locals hung two black teens - 14 and 15 years old.  When northerners tried to investigate, they talked to a local who was involved who said "It’s not in use anymore as a bridge.  We just keep it for stringing up n***ers."  He explained why they had to hang blacks from time to time - to keep them in line.  It was nothing against them, it was just necessary, he explained. “We had a case of that here just recently. two fourteen-year-old boys….We put four up during the last war.”

And when black activists demanded a local investigation, the governor told them to go to hell.

It was against this backdrop that the Tuskeegee Airmen came together and fought for the US.  Why were they fighting?  Were they truly naive enough to think their country would be grateful to them for fighting, when in reality blacks were being lynched to merely "keep them in line?"

Didn't they understand that black equality was literally against the law in the US?  Local laws prohibited it.

Didn't they understand that if they profess love for a white woman, or tried to use a white bathroom, or tried to eat at a white restaurant -  that they would be beaten by a mob, then arrested, then lynched?

What is the logic behind supporting a country with government leaders who openly state that it's just fine to murder people like themselves?

Apparently the logic worked for them, because they fought for the US, and are now considered heroes.

 

[billvon 2,723]

19 minutes ago, jakee said:

Now, in all honesty, do you think it's likely that anyone has the faintest idea what you're trying to say right now?

"Woke is bad."  Like Winsor's approach; anything bad is woke.

[winsor 220]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

Like the selection of a VP candidate because of the electorate they appeal to?

Wendy P. 

?

[JoeWeber 2,562]

6 hours ago, winsor said:

Any form of "DEI."

Would that include tall people, those with pleasingly symmetrical faces and mellifluous voices? They all seem to get unearned free passes in life.

[billvon 2,723]

26 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Would that include tall people, those with pleasingly symmetrical faces and mellifluous voices? They all seem to get unearned free passes in life.

And people like JD Vance!

[billvon 2,723]

6 hours ago, winsor said:

Any form of "DEI."

So you object to handicapped parking spaces?  Veteran's hospitals?  Hmm.

[SkyDekker 1,288]

On 8/1/2024 at 4:22 PM, riggerrob said:

“Woke” people have had many years to explain their objectives. They have forced me to listen to thousands of hours of pro-woke propaganda, but they have done a poor job of explaining their objectives.

Why should I care about gays when they do not invite me into their beds?

Why should I care about lesbians when they do not invite me into their beds?

Why should I care about trans-people when I have only met two and neither of them invited me into their beds?

Please be clear that I do not want a return to “the good old days” of bullying gays.

But I am waiting for “woke” people to explain why I should care.

Strangely enough some of us care about food safety, even if we don't want a eggplant up our ass.....

[riggerrob 598]

16 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Strangely enough some of us care about food safety, even if we don't want a eggplant up our ass.....

For the same reason that public health nurses care about whether prostitutes suffer sexually transmitted diseases, because they worry that customers might take STDs home to their wives and children..

[JoeWeber 2,562]

5 hours ago, riggerrob said:

For the same reason that public health nurses care about whether prostitutes suffer sexually transmitted diseases, because they worry that customers might take STDs home to their wives and children..

That's it? They don't care a whit for their depraved patients?

[base698 3]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/08/glaad-hrc-gay-rights-movement-obsolescence/679402/

As gay people have become more fully integrated into the mainstream of American life, prominent activist groups have excelled at perpetuating themselves. The Human Rights Campaign, the nation’s leading LGBTQ advocacy organization, issues a highly publicized Corporate Equality Index and, like GLAAD, accepts donations from the businesses it scrutinizes. It and other groups constantly gin up publicity on the faulty premise that life in the United States keeps getting worse for LGBTQ people. Last year, HRC declared, for the first time in its more than four-decade history, a “national state of emergency for LGBTQ+ Americans”—an absurd pronouncement that diminishes not only the suffering of the thousands of gay men lost to AIDS but also the terrible treatment endured by LGBTQ people in the 64 countries where homosexuality is illegal and in some cases punishable by death.

Flailing about for relevance since the legalization of same-sex marriage, many gay-rights groups pivoted to a related but fundamentally different cause: transgender rights. Rather than emulate the movement’s past approach—seeking allies across the political spectrum and accepting compromise as a precondition for legal and social progress—they have taken hard-line left-wing positions. LGBTQ groups repeat the mantra “the science is settled” on the extremely complex and fraught subject of youth gender medicine and insist that anyone who questions the provision of puberty blockers to gender-dysphoric children is transphobic. They continue to spread this message even as many European countries have backed away from such treatments after concluding that the evidence supporting them is weak. The reflexive promotion of major medical interventions for minors should be a red flag for gay men and lesbians, considering the research indicating that many gender-distressed and gender-nonconforming children grow up to be gay.

Edited August 13 by base698

[tkhayes 256]

18 minutes ago, base698 said:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/08/glaad-hrc-gay-rights-movement-obsolescence/679402/

As gay people have become more fully integrated into the mainstream of American life, prominent activist groups have excelled at perpetuating themselves. The Human Rights Campaign, the nation’s leading LGBTQ advocacy organization, issues a highly publicized Corporate Equality Index and, like GLAAD, accepts donations from the businesses it scrutinizes. It and other groups constantly gin up publicity on the faulty premise that life in the United States keeps getting worse for LGBTQ people. Last year, HRC declared, for the first time in its more than four-decade history, a “national state of emergency for LGBTQ+ Americans”—an absurd pronouncement that diminishes not only the suffering of the thousands of gay men lost to AIDS but also the terrible treatment endured by LGBTQ people in the 64 countries where homosexuality is illegal and in some cases punishable by death.

Flailing about for relevance since the legalization of same-sex marriage, many gay-rights groups pivoted to a related but fundamentally different cause: transgender rights. Rather than emulate the movement’s past approach—seeking allies across the political spectrum and accepting compromise as a precondition for legal and social progress—they have taken hard-line left-wing positions. LGBTQ groups repeat the mantra “the science is settled” on the extremely complex and fraught subject of youth gender medicine and insist that anyone who questions the provision of puberty blockers to gender-dysphoric children is transphobic. They continue to spread this message even as many European countries have backed away from such treatments after concluding that the evidence supporting them is weak. The reflexive promotion of major medical interventions for minors should be a red flag for gay men and lesbians, considering the research indicating that many gender-distressed and gender-nonconforming children grow up to be gay.

Sounds like the NRA whining about their guns being taken away.  Is there a difference here?  Advocacy groups advocate.  You can choose to just not listen to it.

[gowlerk 2,097]

19 minutes ago, base698 said:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/08/glaad-hrc-gay-rights-movement-obsolescence/679402/

As gay people have become more fully integrated into the mainstream of American life, prominent activist groups have excelled at perpetuating themselves. The Human Rights Campaign, the nation’s leading LGBTQ advocacy organization, issues a highly publicized Corporate Equality Index and, like GLAAD, accepts donations from the businesses it scrutinizes. It and other groups constantly gin up publicity on the faulty premise that life in the United States keeps getting worse for LGBTQ people. Last year, HRC declared, for the first time in its more than four-decade history, a “national state of emergency for LGBTQ+ Americans”—an absurd pronouncement that diminishes not only the suffering of the thousands of gay men lost to AIDS but also the terrible treatment endured by LGBTQ people in the 64 countries where homosexuality is illegal and in some cases punishable by death.

Flailing about for relevance since the legalization of same-sex marriage, many gay-rights groups pivoted to a related but fundamentally different cause: transgender rights. Rather than emulate the movement’s past approach—seeking allies across the political spectrum and accepting compromise as a precondition for legal and social progress—they have taken hard-line left-wing positions. LGBTQ groups repeat the mantra “the science is settled” on the extremely complex and fraught subject of youth gender medicine and insist that anyone who questions the provision of puberty blockers to gender-dysphoric children is transphobic. They continue to spread this message even as many European countries have backed away from such treatments after concluding that the evidence supporting them is weak. The reflexive promotion of major medical interventions for minors should be a red flag for gay men and lesbians, considering the research indicating that many gender-distressed and gender-nonconforming children grow up to be gay.

Do you have anything to say that I can respond to? 

[billvon 2,723]

52 minutes ago, base698 said:

As gay people have become  . .. . 

From the "Read this before you post" message at the top of the forum:

Copying and pasting the words of somebody else is not a conversation. 

At the very least, the person should make a comment in relation to the thing they've copied and posted so we know where the poster himself stands in relationship to it. Give it some context so you aren't simply acting as a copy and paste meat robot on behalf for some PR firm, lobbying group, or news site.

It doesn't have to be much, but at least it gives us somebody we can converse with. We can't converse with the author of the wall of copy and pasted text, because that person simply isn't here.

So you have posted a far-right screed.  Lots of them out there; look at the Daily Stormer and you'll see dozens, none worth discussing.  In the future, post an opinion to go along with it.

[lippy 861]

11 minutes ago, billvon said:

From the "Read this before you post" message at the top of the forum:

Copying and pasting the words of somebody else is not a conversation. 

At the very least, the person should make a comment in relation to the thing they've copied and posted so we know where the poster himself stands in relationship to it. Give it some context so you aren't simply acting as a copy and paste meat robot on behalf for some PR firm, lobbying group, or news site.

It doesn't have to be much, but at least it gives us somebody we can converse with. We can't converse with the author of the wall of copy and pasted text, because that person simply isn't here.

So you have posted a far-right screed.  Lots of them out there; look at the Daily Stormer and you'll see dozens, none worth discussing.  In the future, post an opinion to go along with it.

Probably just didn't have a free hand to type while clutching those pearls so tightly....

[base698 3]

30 minutes ago, billvon said:

So you have posted a far-right screed.

The Atlantic is far-right?