Woke is a Joke

[richravizza 27]

On 1/10/2024 at 5:34 PM, billvon said:

That's great.  But sometimes it's wise (IMO) to protect the rights of others, as well as the rights you personally have.

"Like most religiously held beliefs, any parody must be accompanied by appropriate emoticons to so indicate, since any attempt at being more absurd is futile." 

thank you Winsor, Page one.

sorry it was simply humorous retort.

On 1/10/2024 at 2:49 PM, richravizza said:

,"I can't get pregnant"LOL "This is a free country and we'll go as we please, pregnant or not."

 whom do you think I referred as  "we". I was thinking of my daughter or Niece that found herself in a bad spot... But not you. 

On 1/10/2024 at 11:41 PM, jakee said:

That’s just the point, isn’t it? It’s a free country for a white man. But you’re supposed to care about whether it’s free for other people too.

Thank you for explaining to me "how your brain works"...

Did you ever check on the innocent eleven.Perhaps it went past you. 

https://orderisda.org/culture/stories/the-innocent-11-and-the-creation-of-columbus-day/

I'm sorry I didn't give the moral of the story...Among Italians Americans of the era,referred to as wiggers and mafioso for generations, it was said;

"The bruises of our past and not tattoos." 

I hope you and your likes,find her informative 

 

[winsor 234]

4 minutes ago, richravizza said:

"Like most religiously held beliefs, any parody must be accompanied by appropriate emoticons to so indicate, since any attempt at being more absurd is futile." 

thank you Winsor, Page one.

sorry it was simply humorous retort.

 whom do you think I referred as  "we". I was thinking of my daughter or Niece that found herself in a bad spot... But not you. 

Thank you for explaining to me "how your brain works"...

Did you ever check on the innocent eleven.Perhaps it went past you. 

https://orderisda.org/culture/stories/the-innocent-11-and-the-creation-of-columbus-day/

I'm sorry I didn't give the moral of the story...Among Italians Americans of the era,referred to as wiggers and mafioso for generations, it was said;

"The bruises of our past and not tattoos." 

I hope you and your likes,find her informative 

 

Columbus was Portuguese, which makes Columbus Day as an Italian holiday particularly ironic (nothing written by Columbus, to include letters to his family, suggets knowledge of Italian).

[gowlerk 2,155]

45 minutes ago, winsor said:

Columbus was Portuguese, which makes Columbus Day as an Italian holiday particularly ironic (nothing written by Columbus, to include letters to his family, suggets knowledge of Italian).

Very little written by one person in this thread suggests knowledge of English.

[richravizza 27]

On 1/10/2024 at 2:48 PM, SkyDekker said:

You are trying to tie things together, that I don't think have anything to do with each other.

I think DEI is good business. Having a diverse workforce is good for business. Having a homogenous workforce is bad for business.

Being very anti-DEI can lead to very bad hires. I will paraphrase Mark Cuban here, 

 

Many of those hires were so bad they have turned into memes, jokes, criminals or general laughing stock.

 

I'll have to disagree with you and Cubans assessment, in that they have everything to do with one another.

There's a trait among exceptional leadership in the ability to admit, when wrong.Bill Ackman demonstrated that character.Mark will get it https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-ackman-says-dei-is-racist-2024-1

Here's a 4 grand worded essay,on the subject if Business accoutrement was our moral standard.

But since academia and it's policies seems to not be related the subject matter at hand... I insist.

I hope you admire Mr. Glenn Loury's ability to play the devil's advocate at 5:32 & 11:11

Also here at 25;25 of this one and 35:00 LOL he knows his audience.

To believe that DeAnza is an exception and not the rule is raw naivete'."The fruits of our labor,I'd laugh if it weren't so tragic. 35:00

 My hope is that the Coalition for Education and Do no Harm,will be the norm.

Lastly on the label of "anti DEI", a suppose Tabia is now one of those, 40:00.

"This is how to deal with contradictions among the people" with Critical Social Justice.

 

Edited January 28 by richravizza
11:11

[wmw999 2,371]

25 minutes ago, richravizza said:

I'll have to disagree with you and Cubans assessment, in that they have everything to do with one another

Well, im not sure that sentence makes any sense, but I’ll say I disagree with you. All DEI is saying is that people group each other and themselves, and valuing only some groups’ inputs and opinions robs the rest of the value of others’.

Wendy P. 

[billvon 2,877]

5 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Well, im not sure that sentence makes any sense, but I’ll say I disagree with you. All DEI is saying is that people group each other and themselves, and valuing only some groups’ inputs and opinions robs the rest of the value of others’.

Yep.  The definition includes that it is "a conceptual framework that promotes the fair treatment and full participation of all people, especially in the workplace."  Which for any reasonable person is a good goal.  But the current political climate being what it is, conservatives are trying to make it mean that you show porn to little kids or something.

[richravizza 27]

2 hours ago, winsor said:

Columbus was Portuguese, which makes Columbus Day as an Italian holiday particularly ironic (nothing written by Columbus, to include letters to his family, suggets knowledge of Italian).

I'd suggest an edit to britannica.

 I was in awe with your bullet point assessment of the prevailing conventional wisdom, as it applied to the origins of covid,so I'd love to hear you out.

My opinion is we just have a Salami Day, and call it good.

[wmw999 2,371]

There's a whole lot of debate as to where Columbus came from; the vast majority of the Portuguese-origin espousers are from (not surprisingly) Portugal.

And anyway, the Spanish and Portuguese were far more exploitative early on of the New World. Wherever Columbus was from, he was sponsored by the Spanish, and so it was a Spanish conquest. 

Wendy P.

[richravizza 27]

56 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

There's a whole lot of debate as to where Columbus came from; the vast majority of the Portuguese-origin espousers are from (not surprisingly) Portugal.

And anyway, the Spanish and Portuguese were far more exploitative early on of the New World. Wherever Columbus was from, he was sponsored by the Spanish, and so it was a Spanish conquest. 

Wendy P.

I'll agree,

Some also say he was a Jew, others Portuguese or Spamish. Others say from the non sicilian part of Italy Genoa, but not Bolona.With a bio like that.One would assume, he was American. LOL 

But what would that have to do with the 11 or Columbus Day.

Is there any debate about the New Orleans lynching.

[jakee 1,426]

9 hours ago, richravizza said:

There's a trait among exceptional leadership in the ability to admit, when wrong.Bill Ackman demonstrated that character.Mark will get it https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-ackman-says-dei-is-racist-2024-1

Here's a 4 grand worded essay,on the subject if Business accoutrement was our moral standard.

 

You’d need a whole new thread to break down the mistakes and plain mendacity in Ackman’s screed.

BTW, I don’t think ‘accoutrement’ means what you think it means. A business accoutrement would be like a tie or a fancy pen. I’m not sure how wearing a tie or owning a Mont Blanc could be held as a moral standard.

[SkyDekker 1,393]

15 hours ago, richravizza said:

There's a trait among exceptional leadership in the ability to admit, when wrong.

Thank you for proving Trump is indeed one of the worst leaders one could find.

[wolfriverjoe 1,495]

Seen elsewhere:

'Me too' has grown a bit.
Now it's 'Me 83 Million'.

[ryoder 1,590]

Let's face it: At this point, when the MAGA cult says "woke", it just means "anything I don't like".

 

[jakee 1,426]

50 minutes ago, ryoder said:

Let's face it: At this point, when the MAGA cult says "woke", it just means "anything I don't like".

No, he's right. I looked at that program and it definitely says they're going to supply broadband that only connects to black websites.

[richravizza 27]

On 2/19/2024 at 5:41 AM, ryoder said:

Let's face it: At this point, when the MAGA cult says "woke", it just means "anything I don't like".

 

A single definition of woke would be arbitrary at best but toxic nonetheless. 

 Like the Millions wasted on Henry Rogers one of our highest paid activist. Fiction Author of "Antiracist Baby" and rigorous Academic three worded names like Ibram X Kendi, and the Department of Anti-Racism.

https://dailyfreepress.com/2023/09/21/amid-mass-layoffs-bu-center-for-antiracist-research-accused-of-mismanagement-of-funds-disorganization/

In all honesty your vid timed out so I wasn't able to view it.

[richravizza 27]

On 2/19/2024 at 6:33 AM, jakee said:

No, he's right. I looked at that program and it definitely says they're going to supply broadband that only connects to black websites.

Karma will do,

https://www.campusreform.org/article/prof-says-all-hell-broke-loose-harvard-study-found-no-racial-bias-police-shootings/24908

 

[billvon 2,877]

On 3/9/2024 at 10:21 PM, richravizza said:

A single definition of woke would be arbitrary at best but toxic nonetheless. 

"Alert to injustice in society" is toxic?  Maybe, if the person using it has an issue with being aware of what's going on.  (Which I know many people do; ignorance is a very comfortable place to live.)

But I am less and less worried about the antis on this one.  I was judging at a robotics competition this weekend at a local high school.  They had a bunch of flags up - their team flags, the California flag, a pride flag, some flag that looked like it was from Germany.  No one cared.

The kids were about half and half male and female, with three or four nonbinary kids.  Again no one cared.

They have unisex bathrooms.  And yet again, no one cared.  (Other than some of the older judges, who were perplexed for a minute by the layout.)

The next generation is simply not going to care if someone is trans or nonbinary, and they are going to be a lot more capable in terms of figuring out which bathroom to use than conservatives are.

 

[airdvr 205]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

"Alert to injustice in society" is toxic?  Maybe, if the person using it has an issue with being aware of what's going on.  (Which I know many people do; ignorance is a very comfortable place to live.)

But I am less and less worried about the antis on this one.  I was judging at a robotics competition this weekend at a local high school.  They had a bunch of flags up - their team flags, the California flag, a pride flag, some flag that looked like it was from Germany.  No one cared.

The kids were about half and half male and female, with three or four nonbinary kids.  Again no one cared.

They have unisex bathrooms.  And yet again, no one cared.  (Other than some of the older judges, who were perplexed for a minute by the layout.)

The next generation is simply not going to care if someone is trans or nonbinary, and they are going to be a lot more capable in terms of figuring out which bathroom to use than conservatives are.

 

I'm conservative and I don't care.  I only care when children are medically encouraged to change genders.  I think it;s wrong.

[gowlerk 2,155]

9 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I only care when children are medically encouraged to change genders.  I think it;s wrong.

That's why it doesn't happen. Sometimes if they are very insistent they are allowed to begin. Allowing is not the same as encouraging.

[billvon 2,877]

38 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I'm conservative and I don't care. 

Many conservatives don't.  But anti-gay and anti-trans ideology is at the core of the Trump brand, which is rapidly taking over the republican party.

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I only care when children are medically encouraged to change genders.  I think it;s wrong.

Agreed, and I haven't heard of any cases of that happening.  (Of course, if you listened to FOX News, you'd think that the medical community has a class all kids have to take to convince them they are the wrong gender.)

[JoeWeber 2,670]

24 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Allowing is not the same as encouraging

But the difference is so small as to be meaningless especially if a point is being made; sort of like true and false: if you're making a point it just doesn't matter. In many cases, for example if you're a Republican United States Senator it's actually points against you if you aren't comfortable telling bald faced lies even on national Television. As long as someone somewhere might believe it it's as good as true, better really.

[base698 12]

16 hours ago, billvon said:

Agreed, and I haven't heard of any cases of that happening.  (Of course, if you listened to FOX News, you'd think that the medical community has a class all kids have to take to convince them they are the wrong gender.)

> The incidence of gender-affirming mastectomy increased 13-fold (3.7 to 47.7 per 100,000 person-years) during the study period. Of the 209 patients who underwent surgery, the median age at referral was 16 years (range 12-17) and the most common technique was double-incision (85%)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9555285/

[wmw999 2,371]

3 hours ago, base698 said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9555285/

Just to note that this study covers a 7 1/2  year period, with an overall total of 209 mastectomies. So just assuming for grins and giggles that it has been a linear growth (because I'm too lazy to look up annual numbers), that means less than 7 in the first year, and fewer than 55 in the last full year. 

That's really not a whole lot, given that the estimate in the same paper is 150,000 transgender teenagers. 

There were 88,000 surgical (i.e. not minimally invasive) plastic procedures performed on adolescents in 2020 alone. And that was in a year impacted by COVID. How much hand-wringing is there over the generally permanent changes made by all the rest (yes, including breast augmentation, nose jobs, along with the correction of actual birth defects).

Wendy P.

[billvon 2,877]

4 hours ago, base698 said:

> The incidence of gender-affirming mastectomy increased 13-fold (3.7 to 47.7 per 100,000 person-years) during the study period. Of the 209 patients who underwent surgery, the median age at referral was 16 years (range 12-17) and the most common technique was double-incision (85%)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9555285/

Right.  Like I said, I haven't heard of any of those being the result of a doctor encouraging the patient to do it.

[kallend 1,922]

On 1/27/2024 at 8:23 PM, wmw999 said:

There's a whole lot of debate as to where Columbus came from; the vast majority of the Portuguese-origin espousers are from (not surprisingly) Portugal.

 

Wendy P.

Since we're reinventing history:  Did you know that Troy was actually just outside what is now Cambridge in England, and the Trojan War was fought over access to tin mines in the UK?

Must be true, I read it on the internet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_Troy_Once_Stood#:~:text=Where Troy Once Stood is,near the Dardanelles in Turkey.