billvon 2,814 #1 July 21, 2010 There have been plenty of discussions out there about what the best rig is, with people posting their favorite mains, reserves and containers, and people fantasizing over what the 'ideal' rig is. So what's the worst rig you can come up with? Let's make it a rig you would actually jump if you really had to (say for an off-DZ jump where landing in salt water was a likely result, or a second rig for a jump you really wanted to make.) For me two rigs come to mind: Racer SST (pre-riser covers) with a Diablo and a Micro Raven 120. I think I'd only jump the MR120 if landing it in the water was an option. Swift container with a Pursuit 215 and a Navy 26' (this was actually my first rig; was awful) Then there was the Nova, which although would kill you in turbulence, actually flew and landed very nicely in smooth air - so it doesn't quite make "worst rig" status. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,351 #2 July 21, 2010 Such a plethora of options I'd have to put a Piglet rig with a Strato-flyer main and a 4-line release 24' flat on that list. The Piglet was the original reason for the last-hope rope (I know of at least 2 low-altitude loop locks). That would be one I'd only jump into water. I'll admit I never jumped a flyer, but they sure appeared to suck. More modern gear -- an unmodified Safire 1 with a micro-raven 120 (a 150 is fine for me) in a Naro. I hated my Safire. No real problem with the Naro, it's just the ugliest container I ever saw . Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #3 July 21, 2010 Telesis 3, sabre 210 main, unsure about reserves.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artard 0 #4 July 21, 2010 Why is the Micro Raven 120 so bad?http://www.mixcloud.com/prajna http://vimeo.com/avidya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #5 July 21, 2010 I would have to go with a older racer as the container as they just look bad - sloppy and clumsy looking. main would be the nova, nothing like not being sure if you will have a canopy close to the ground to spice up the jump. reserve would be the micro raven 120 (*never mind that its what I actually jump) it will get you to the ground safely but is way too touchy on its stall point. I am curious why you picked a diablo though, I have many jumps on them in all sizes from very lightly loaded, to a 2-1 wingload and they all flew and landed well in turbulence and in smooth air. RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #6 July 21, 2010 when loaded the flair point is at about your neck, any farther on the brakes and it will fold up with no warning and drop you on your back. RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #7 July 21, 2010 Diamant 160 main and Micron 175 reserve in a Invader rig. The very best stuff I ever jumped all rolled into one ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #8 July 21, 2010 For a container anything pre-Racer (when they were called a SST for Super Swooper Tandems.) Any canopy from Glidepath, except the Pegasus and Fury, as those were okay. But the Clipper or Nova were total widow makers. And somebody at Glidepath should have went to prison over the Nova. Secondary worst container would be anything with a frigging Dolphin on it, LOL . . . Reserve would be a five cell Para-Flite Safety Flyer which was absolute garbage! NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #9 July 21, 2010 A Reflex. Almost as bad as a Green Star Trac II. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlew 0 #10 July 21, 2010 QuoteRacer (when they were called a SST for Super Swooper Tandems.) I thought SST stood for "Struggle Struggle Thump" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 891 #11 July 21, 2010 Is that a tongue-in-cheek shot at Bill because he jumps a Reflex? I've got almost 1000 jumps on mine and love it. I wish they still made the things.I got nuthin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #12 July 21, 2010 I have 1500+ on my reflex and I still love it, its a great rig -its tight, nothing exposed, reserve pin very well protected - I dont use the catapult though, that was removed RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,351 #13 July 21, 2010 Quote anything pre-Racer Had one of those as a backup rig Quote Any canopy from Glidepath, except the Pegasus and Fury Had a Firefly; it was awesome Of course, I jump a Diablo for fun, too Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #14 July 21, 2010 >>I thought SST stood for "Struggle Struggle Thump"I was going for accurate terminology, not truth . . . LOL! NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,814 #15 July 21, 2010 >I am curious why you picked a diablo though . . . They were the #1 canopy to spin up at Perris for a while. They are remarkably unstable with brakes stowed. Once released they seem to fly OK though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #16 July 21, 2010 My first rig was a 1984 Racer, Fury-220, and 26' reserve. I actually did sell it to someone to make a salt water jump. He actually only wanted the main, but I made him take the whole thing for $100. It was a steaming pile of shit, but the whole rig only cost me $600 (in 1996) and lasted a whole 40 jumps before being grounded for harness damage (that my original rigger didn't inform me of). - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrbiceps 0 #17 July 21, 2010 Beats me how a sabre 210 gets mentioned in here?? I reakon a sabre 1 is a excellent canopy for someone on a budget looking for a zp. put a bigger slider on it and no worries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybeergodd 0 #18 July 21, 2010 Thats a good question. For me it would have to be the original Wonderhog, Safety Flyer reserve and Sratocloud Delta. That was my old intentional water landing rig. I still have it and everytime I look at it I can't believe I actually used it...lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,883 #19 July 21, 2010 Quotewhen loaded the flair point is at about your neck, any farther on the brakes and it will fold up with no warning and drop you on your back. Roy Saw that happen to a World Team guy. Broke his arm.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deyan 36 #20 July 21, 2010 What about this one??? Centaurus + Pegasus + Phantom 26. The worst thing about this gear is that it's still in use Don't ask me "why" and "how"Blue skies "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #21 July 21, 2010 Hmmmm I put a few hundred jumps on black and yellow Green Star Trac II with capewells and a 26' LoPo back in the mid 70's. I got to cutaway the capewell shot and a halfs and pull the blast handle twice to air out my reserve. I had a pull out on it that was attached to the spider slider that caused "unique" openings on my parafoil that was flat packed and S-folded into the main container without the "sleeve" that used to snivel for oh... 1800 ft or so. It seemed to work for me... I am still here to annoy people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #22 July 21, 2010 Surprised I haven't heard anyone mention the Batwing AKA Splatwing.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,351 #23 July 21, 2010 Sorry, the Pegasus was an awesome canopy. It has a whole thread dedicated to it in the History forum. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlew 0 #24 July 21, 2010 Concerning those reserves folding up, I've seen them do that too...but in their defense they were wingloaded way over what the recommended max was. Within TSO of course, but the ones I saw fold up fast/hard were loaded 1.6 to 1 and higher. Wasnt the rec. like 1.2 or 1.3? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rover 11 #25 July 21, 2010 Unit.... 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites