nolhtairt 0 #126 August 1, 2016 normiss It's got to mess with your mind to reach back there knowing there is nothing there. I wondered about that too... There was a camera dude that got on a load without thinking that he'd forgotten his rig, and nobody else noticed, so he takes his slot as rear float for his group, does the dive, then it's time to pull, and... "oooooh fuck" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
husslr187 24 #127 August 1, 2016 jumpwallyalso would like to know what plan " B " was,,,one of the jumpers with him had some type of loop in his hand,,what was that to hook to ? , The loop was an oxygen line after luke took it off and handed it over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelmullins 79 #128 August 1, 2016 diablopilot*********Maybe I just missed it... where's this going to be held? California, USA. At the same time, he says he will NOT have ANY parachute on him. So, did they get the FAA exemption to do that? Answer: Since he is not wearing a parachute, this is not a skydive and this part 105 does not apply. In fact, the FAA is not sure what to do with him. For now, the concept of not posing risk to persons or property on the ground as a result of throwing objects out of an aircraft in flight is the only rule that applies. Luke did get approval to pull low with a BASE canopy (2 parachute system) for his training. Daily updates: https://www.facebook.com/Luke-Aikins-998360006849439/?fref=ts Do you have first hand knowledge, or are you just making things up? I do have first hand knowledge. Luke Akins approached the USPA Board of Directors and was granted a waiver of BSR 2-1-H, Minimum Opening Altitude. The waiver was for a specific time frame, altitude, and location. A copy of the waiver request is attached. Luke did not request any form of waiver for the actual chuteless jump as no waiver from USPA was required. According to USPA definitions, and FAA definitions, this was not a "Skydive" or a "Parachute Jump" or a "Parachute Operation" nor was he a "Parachutist" or a "Skydiver" on this fall from an aircraft. From the USPA SIM Glossary: SKYDIVE: 1. n. The descent of a person to the surface from an aircraft in flight when he or she uses or intends to use a parachute during all or part of that descent. 2. v. To jump form an aircraft with a parachute. PARACHUTE JUMP: A parachute operation that involves the descent of one or more persons to the surface from an aircraft in flight when a parachute is used or intended to be used during all or part of that descent. PARACHUTIST: A person who intends to exit an aircraft while in flight using a single-harness, dual parachute system to descend to the surface. From FAA FAR 105 Definitions: PARACHUTE DROP means the descent of an object to the surface from an aircraft in flight when a parachute is used or intended to be used during all or part of that descent. PARACHUTE JUMP means a parachute operation that involves the descent of one or more persons to the surface from an aircraft in flight when a parachute is used or intended to be used during all or part of that descent. PARACHUTIST means a person who intends to exit an air- craft while in flight using a single-harness, dual parachute system to descend to the surface. So, under all of the definitions above from USPA and the FAA, this was not a "Skydive" or "Parachute Jump" or "Parachute Drop" and Luke was not a "Skydiver" nor a "Parachutist" and as such he did not need authorization, permission, or a waiver from the USPA, or the FAA, or anyone else to exit the aircraft without a parachute. Congratulations to Luke on a stunt well planned and executed. And for anyone else that wishes to jump without a parachute, go for it. You do not need permission from anyone, just make sure that you do not endanger any person or property on the ground. Mike Mullins USPA National Director Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raftman 12 #129 August 1, 2016 I would have liked to see him turn points with the team! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joellercoaster 6 #130 August 1, 2016 HalfpastninerI'm thinking he was just goofing off. If he had a secret rig on- what would be the point of practicing a BOC pull (or EP's)? I think it would be kinda cool to reach back and feel nothing there to touch, yet not feeling like a dead man. This. I do it at idle moments during tunnel sessions, never realised people might freak out about it and accuse me of being up to no good.-- "I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan "You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 21 #131 August 1, 2016 What worries me is what the next skydive-related mega stunt will have to do in order to attract serious commercial sponsorship. Luke's risk was extremely high. Perfection required, no plan B. The next one will have to top Luke's stunt. How far can it go before we see a fatal outcome? Sure glad he made it. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolhtairt 0 #132 August 2, 2016 377 What worries me is what the next skydive-related mega stunt will have to do in order to attract serious commercial sponsorship. Luke's risk was extremely high. Perfection required, no plan B. The next one will have to top Luke's stunt. How far can it go before we see a fatal outcome? Sure glad he made it. 377 How about wingsuiting without a rig onto an 18 wheeler trailer fitted with an airbag and open roof, going 80 mph or so on the salt flats where speed records are set? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
megamalfunction 1 #133 August 2, 2016 Luke Aiken's a wild man, you know that? He's a wild man. I want to shake his hand. How many low pulls has he performed? 873? That's got to be a record. What would he say is the best way to go low? The way you don't die? That's good. Spoken like a real wild man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polecat 0 #134 August 2, 2016 GoneCodFishingAnyone know wha the winds aloft were on the jump? According to the team weatherman on TV, the winds were 7 mph, exactly the same as all their practice jumps, and therefore conditions were perfect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #135 August 2, 2016 Sometime during the show they showed a guy releasing a balloon that I would assume was a weather balloon. When we tested at UPG and went above 18,000 ft. they would send balloons aloft and provide us with winds aloft for every 3,000 ft. The data would be no more than 30 minutes old at takeoff. I wouldn’t be surprised if he did not have something similar.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obelixtim 125 #136 August 2, 2016 They would have done that for sure... Like planning the exit point for a cross country, take the wind speed and direction at different altitudes (we were able to do that at 1000 ft increments based on weather balloon data), and plot them on a map, then take the mean speed and direction from that to fix an exit point. From 25 grand you could get a lot of FF drift. I'd be surprised if the wind was 7 knots all the way to altitude. Even exiting right over the top via a GPS spot, I'm sure they would have calculated the wind conditions all the way up pretty precisely. On the last cross country jump I planned, opening at 12 grand: With winds ranging from 15 knots at ground level to 60 knots at 12000 ft, and winds coming from varying directions all the way to altitude, an exit at 12 grand and 12 miles from the DZ saw 5 jumpers out of 6 land right on the target. The other jumper deviated from the plan, went off on his own, and landed about a mile away. As it turned out we could have gone another couple of miles upwind. Of course canopies are going to be influenced by the wind more than someone in FF, but the same principles apply.My computer beat me at chess, It was no match for me at kickboxing.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #137 August 2, 2016 BrianSGermain Luke did get approval to pull low with a BASE canopy (2 parachute system) for his training. Yep, but from the USPA, ref. opening at 1000'. The FAA doesn't care what altitude we open at, if at all. The rig was a standard Infinity, no AAD, of course, and I believe he was using a Spectre, but I could be wrong. I'll ask next time I see him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mitsuman 0 #138 August 2, 2016 I would love to see his perspective all the way down...Congrats Luke on a successful jump. My heart was pounding all the way down!Hi, my names Jon, and I love to skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #139 August 2, 2016 JerryBaumchen Hi Pat, Quote they are as honest as they come 100% agree. I first met these folks back in the mid-60's at the various competitions here in the NW. Lenny ( RIP ) and crew were known as the Thun Field Bunch back then. The addition of Geoff Farrington to the mix just made it even better. Jerry Baumchen PS) And their facility at Shelton is as good at it gets IMO. I gotta agree with your opinion. Don't you wish Lenny could have been around to see this? Sounds like something he would have loved to try back in the day. Miss that guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,233 #140 August 2, 2016 Hi John, QuoteThe rig was a standard Infinity It had been modified just for those practice jumps. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #141 August 2, 2016 JerryBaumchen Hi John, Quote The rig was a standard Infinity It had been modified just for those practice jumps. Jerry Baumchen Thanks for the info. What did they change? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 21 #142 August 2, 2016 mjosparkySometime during the show they showed a guy releasing a balloon that I would assume was a weather balloon. When we tested at UPG and went above 18,000 ft. they would send balloons aloft and provide us with winds aloft for every 3,000 ft. The data would be no more than 30 minutes old at takeoff. I wouldn’t be surprised if he did not have something similar. Would have been nice to have one of these to provide real time winds aloft data: http://www.detect-inc.com/profiler.html http://www.ofcm.gov/r14/pdf/chap2.pdf For a while the Navy had something similar operating at Marina CA near the Skydive Monterey Bay DZ. Its results were posted live online and were quite useful. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jf951 1 #143 August 2, 2016 JerryBaumchenHi John, QuoteThe rig was a standard Infinity It had been modified just for those practice jumps. Jerry Baumchen you seem pretty intent on bragging about knowing something we dont know Jerry.Jump more, Bitch less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #144 August 2, 2016 jf951you seem pretty intent on bragging about knowing something we dont know Jerry. Post 129 contains an attachment with all the details of the mod. I don't think there is any bragging or secrets here.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,233 #145 August 2, 2016 H jf951, Quoteyou seem pretty intent on bragging about knowing something we dont know Jerry. I truly would hope that no one would ever consider me to be a braggart. John Mitchell said that it was a 'normal skydiving rig.' Kelly F and I share a fair amount of info on some gear ideas/subjects. One of the mods falls under this category. Since Kelly built the rig & did the mods, I feel it is not my place to announce what he did. He can & does speak for himself on here quite often. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,509 #146 August 3, 2016 So what is the reason for doing the jump at 25K? Seems like doing it at half the altitude would have avoided the bother of O2, and made spotting simpler."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #147 August 3, 2016 ryoderSo what is the reason for doing the jump at 25K? Seems like doing it at half the altitude would have avoided the bother of O2, and made spotting simpler. Spectacle and DramaYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #148 August 3, 2016 ryoderSo what is the reason for doing the jump at 25K? Seems like doing it at half the altitude would have avoided the bother of O2, and made spotting simpler. You know the name of the event right? Heaven Sent.. The111 informed me, that is where heaven starts.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #149 August 3, 2016 I would use a work sheet like this. see attachment.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #150 August 3, 2016 hookitt***So what is the reason for doing the jump at 25K? Seems like doing it at half the altitude would have avoided the bother of O2, and made spotting simpler. You know the name of the event right? Heaven Sent.. The111 informed me, that is where heaven starts. Hell Bound was deemed by the network to be a much less desirable (albeit much more metal) name.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
