The Trial of Derek Chauvin

[nwt 131]

On 4/3/2021 at 3:04 PM, airdvr said:

What I'm seeing is many folks on here who refuse to even consider alternative possibilities.  What's their agenda?

My agenda is that as a Medical Doctor, I actually understand all the words being used. I had no preconceptions one way or the other before seeing the evidence, which all supports the same conclusion.

[ryoder 1,380]

26 minutes ago, nwt said:

My agenda is that as a Medical Doctor, I actually understand all the words being used. 

So are you a fan of the "Medlife Crisis" Youtube channel? ;-)

[nwt 131]

5 minutes ago, ryoder said:

So are you a fan of the "Medlife Crisis" Youtube channel? ;-)

I've never heard of it but it looks interesting. Thanks!

[ryoder 1,380]

28 minutes ago, nwt said:

I've never heard of it but it looks interesting. Thanks!

Some background:

- The guy is a cardiologist in a London area hospital.

- He is also an amateur stand-up comedian.

- He has at least one parent of Indian origin.

- He caught COVID-19 from work a year ago.

His is the first channel that so impressed me that after I found it, I went back and watched every video he ever posted.

[jakee 1,254]

On 3/30/2021 at 3:27 AM, airdvr said:

Let me just say that I don't believe Chauvin was responsible for his death directly.  Floyd died of a drug OD.  But...Chauvin and the others had a duty of care that was neglected.  One of those fools should have stepped in to make sure Floyd was OK.  

Wow. I've said it before, but I genuinely can't fathom why you continue to be so desperate to boast about your wilfull ignorance of reality to all and sundry.

[jakee 1,254]

On 3/30/2021 at 6:07 PM, airdvr said:

Post #7

Let me just say that I don't believe Chauvin was responsible for his death directly.  Floyd died of a drug OD.  But...Chauvin and the others had a duty of care that was neglected.  One of those fools should have stepped in to make sure Floyd was OK.  

Chauvin should have stepped in to help? Are you aware of how insane that sounds? Chauvin needed to step off him before he could step in.

When you need to dismiss and distort the basic facts of the matter to make your point, when you have to pretend that Chauvin was some kind of passive bystander to a situation that played out without his involvement to make your argument sound reasonable, then you must admit that you are simply not thinking about it in an honest way.

[jakee 1,254]

On 3/31/2021 at 1:46 PM, airdvr said:

Chauvin might have been able to save Floyd had he not been such an idiot.  I think the other LEO's who stood by are culpable as well.

This is a bizarre thing to say. Utterly bizarre. Chauvin knelt on Floyd's keck while he complained of not being able to breath. He continued kneeling on his kneck when he lapsed into unconsciousness. He continued kneeling on his kneck when medics asked to treat him. He continued kneeling on his keck after it was confirmed he had no pulse.

To frame the situation as one in which Chauvin simply failed to save Floyd is a sad and desperate lie from someone who has decided that his stance on the matter must be guided by politics, not by facts.

[jakee 1,254]

On 4/3/2021 at 9:04 PM, airdvr said:

Of course I have an agenda...everyone here does.  My agenda is pretty straightforward.  I question whether Floyd died by overdose vs. someone kneeling on his neck.  

You're not questioning it. You're flat out saying that's what happening. Just like you're flat out saying, against all precedent and logic, that his trial has been rigged against him. That is what illustrates your agenda.

[jakee 1,254]

On 4/4/2021 at 3:23 PM, airdvr said:

What I would like to believe is Chauvin didn't intentionally murder Floyd.

He did murder him, and he did intentionally continue to do the thing he did to murder him even after he was repeatedly told that he had murdered him. No matter what his initial intent was, at some point in the process that line was obviously crossed.

[airdvr 197]

You been on vacation or something?

[jakee 1,254]

9 hours ago, airdvr said:

You been on vacation or something?

Something like that. 
 

Maybe you could give me a straight answer on one question as like a welcome back present or something - you do know that the argument you’ve presented here is based on a flat out denial of reality for political reasons, right? You are aware that’s what you’re doing?

[wolfriverjoe 1,339]

4 hours ago, jakee said:

Something like that. 
 

Maybe you could give me a straight answer on one question as like a welcome back present or something - you do know that the argument you’ve presented here is based on a flat out denial of reality for political reasons, right? You are aware that’s what you’re doing?

I don't think he is aware.

The denial runs that deep.

He simply can't (not won't, can't) believe that Chauvin deliberately murdered Floyd.
So he keeps looking for a set of 'alternate facts'. Like the claim that Floyd died of an OD.

As such, he can't (again, not won't) believe that Chauvin will get a fair trial.
And that the outcome is 'predetermined'.

THIS is what "White Privilege" looks like.

[airdvr 197]

I am extremely privileged.  I'll be the first to admit it.  Your attempt to shame me with it fails.

Earlier in the thread I recanted my statement that Floyd absolutely died of an OD.  I presented possibilities of a lethal amount of drugs in his system.  I didn't make it up.

Political pressure?  Media frenzy?  Martyrdom?  Vengeance?  These are realities as well.

[olofscience 420]

10 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I presented possibilities of a lethal amount of drugs in his system.

And as I've pointed out, 11ng/ml is not a lethal amount of fentanyl.

It's been associated with some deaths as much as heart disease is associated with some deaths - increases your risk, but not a death sentence. The knee on the neck was the death sentence.

[billvon 2,379]

1 hour ago, olofscience said:

And as I've pointed out, 11ng/ml is not a lethal amount of fentanyl.

It's been associated with some deaths as much as heart disease is associated with some deaths - increases your risk, but not a death sentence. The knee on the neck was the death sentence.

By Jove, I think you've got it!  Floyd had a heart condition, and he had a heart attack right at that moment.  Why, it's practically an act of God!  So not only is Chauvin innocent, he's on the side of God.  

Needless to say, godless socialist liberals will be opposed to the will of God.

[airdvr 197]

2 hours ago, olofscience said:

And as I've pointed out, 11ng/ml is not a lethal amount of fentanyl.

It's been associated with some deaths as much as heart disease is associated with some deaths - increases your risk, but not a death sentence. The knee on the neck was the death sentence.

The coroner initially disagreed.

[JerryBaumchen 1,046]

19 minutes ago, airdvr said:

The coroner initially disagreed.

Hi air,

Re:  The coroner initially disagreed.

No different than this:  Earlier in the thread I recanted my statement that Floyd absolutely died of an OD.

Jerry Baumchen

[olofscience 420]

16 minutes ago, airdvr said:

The coroner initially disagreed.

So do you think:

1. The coroner changed his mind as more evidence came about, or
2. He was politically or financially pressured to change his conclusion, therefore he has lied and provided false statements to a court of law?

[nwt 131]

34 minutes ago, airdvr said:

The coroner initially disagreed.

According to what reference?

[airdvr 197]

Both are a possibility.  If you don't think the forces at play here are massive you're fooling yourself.

You guys attack like I said somewhere that I think Chauvin should go free.  He killed that man in as much as he ignored his duty of care.  I still don't believe he intended to kill Floyd, and certainly not in front of as many cameras as were recording.

[airdvr 197]

4 minutes ago, nwt said:

According to what reference?

 

ExhibitMtD08282020 (2).pdf

[nwt 131]

7 minutes ago, airdvr said:

 

ExhibitMtD08282020 (2).pdf 56.75 kB · 2 downloads

That doesn't support your claims. We've been over this.

[olofscience 420]

10 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Both are a possibility.  If you don't think the forces at play here are massive you're fooling yourself.

Dodging the question - the two options I laid out are mutually exclusive.

Hand-waving magic forces isn't really going to work unless the person you're trying to fool is already scared and unable to understand how the world works. So, try again.

[airdvr 197]

There's not really much more to add.  We have been over it again and again.

[billvon 2,379]

29 minutes ago, airdvr said:

ExhibitMtD08282020 (2).pdf 56.75 kB · 3 downloads

To review:

Olof said "11ng/ml is not a lethal amount of fentanyl."  You said "the coroner disagreed" and presented that document as proof.

So I took a look, and nowhere did the coroner claim that Floyd had a lethal level of fentanyl in his system.  His exact comment about the level was "that's pretty high" which is likely true.

The lawyer, Amy Sweasy, then added her opinion, which is "that is a fatal level of fentanyl."  And while she is no doubt a good lawyer, she is neither a doctor nor a coroner.  So Olof is correct - and her opinion is just that, an opinion.

Edited to add - I take that back about her being a good lawyer.  The judge disqualified her from the case because she "violated the rules of professional conduct for attorneys."