More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

[gowlerk 1,610]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Gentlemen, you're right at the edge of being giddy over someone's lost child - because they're Christian. 

I don't make any distinction between these victims and the Uvalade victims. 

[Phil1111 691]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

 

President Biden has come out suggesting another assault weapons ban.  Are you going to stock up on some more before the price goes up?

[brenthutch 356]

7 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

President Biden has come out suggesting another assault weapons ban.  Are you going to stock up on some more before the price goes up?

With a divided Congress and a supermajority on the Supreme Court, nobody is worried.

Edited March 28 by brenthutch

[brenthutch 356]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

The GOP doesn't seem to care about any childrens' deaths from gunfire, or it wouldn't block every effort to do something about it.

Pretty sure killing children is already illegal.

[BIGUN 1,000]

1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Keith,

Speaking for myself only:  ABSOLUTELY NOT.

As I just started watching my local tv news with this story, I was thinking:  No matter what your beliefs are, this is tragic & wrong.

Jerry Baumchen

Evening, Jerry. 

I know what everyone meant, but it was getting close to being mean-spirited with the T's & P's stuff. It's how they grieve. I'm really angry about this one. It's going to be a political bullshit volley of weapons vs. the child was a trans, Biden calling for an Assault weapons ban INSTEAD of both aisles developing a Gun Owner Responsibility Bill. We have the money for TSA which is a joke, but not money to secure our children in school. It's all theater.   

Keith

[JoeWeber 1,868]

Just now, BIGUN said:

Evening, Jerry. 

I know what everyone meant, but it was getting close to being mean-spirited with the T's & P's stuff. It's how they grieve. I'm really angry about this one. It's going to be a political bullshit volley of weapons vs. the child was a trans, Biden calling for an Assault weapons ban INSTEAD of both aisles developing a Gun Owner Responsibility Bill. We have the money for TSA which is a joke, but not money to secure our children in school. It's all theater.   

Keith

Keith, 

It's not those of us who see reality who are offering thoughts and prayers after every kid is killed, Christian or not. Like it or not there is real, legitimate bitterness amongst those who wish gun control was a reality in America. Like it or not Evangelicals aren't helping anymore than the Second Amendment nuts are. Just to underline the difference that does not exist, you wouldn't fault us too much for being snarky if Wayne LaPierre's kids were the latest school shooting victims. Sorry Brother but what will heal this nation is the end of Christians getting a pass.

Joe

[wolfriverjoe 1,094]

4 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Evening, Jerry. 

I know what everyone meant, but it was getting close to being mean-spirited with the T's & P's stuff. It's how they grieve. I'm really angry about this one. It's going to be a political bullshit volley of weapons vs. the child was a trans, Biden calling for an Assault weapons ban INSTEAD of both aisles developing a Gun Owner Responsibility Bill. We have the money for TSA which is a joke, but not money to secure our children in school. It's all theater.   

Keith

It IS getting mean spirited with all the talk of 'thoughts and prayers'.

That's ALL 'they' ever offer. 

No solutions, no ideas, no NOTHING. 

As has been asked many times, how many kids have to die for something to change?

I'm not in favor of another ban. The first one didn't do all that much. 
If a new one is anything like the original one, it won't do much either.

Don't forget that the original AWB simply banned the sales of newly manufactured guns with certain features. There were still brand new 'post ban' AR-15s being sold the entire time the ban was in effect. 'Post ban' had no flash hider, thumbhole stocks instead of pistol grips, no bayonet lug and came with 10 round magazines (a 20 or 30 round mag could be used, but was technically illegal).
The guns that had been sold prior to the ban could still be bought and sold freely (for a lot more money than they originally sold for). 

[BIGUN 1,000]

2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Sorry Brother but what will heal this nation is the end of Christians getting a pass.

I understand. Please understand there's "many a" Democrat, gun-toting, Christian. As long as we continue to point at who's saying it rather than why we need it _as a nation_  and get both aisles to sit the fuck down and talk with each other and not at each other. Nothing. We been talking about this logically for years now, but our politicians are just fucking inept. Both of ours. 

[JoeWeber 1,868]

Just now, BIGUN said:

I understand. Please understand there's "many a" Democrat, gun-toting, Christian. As long as we continue to point at who's saying it rather than why we need it _as a nation_  and get both aisles to sit the fuck down and talk with each other and not at each other. Nothing. We been talking about this logically for years now, but our politicians are just fucking inept. Both of ours. 

I'll put our morons up against yours any day, thank you. But the thing that is too delicate for some sensibilities to discuss is what motivates our respective morons. For Republicans too often that is their Christian beliefs. Just reality.

[BIGUN 1,000]

5 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

I'm not in favor of another ban. The first one didn't do all that much. 
If a new one is anything like the original one, it won't do much either.

Bans don't work. We need a Gun Owner Responsibility bill across the board. 

[JoeWeber 1,868]

Just now, BIGUN said:

Bans don't work. We need a Gun Owner Responsibility bill across the board. 

So if someone is being irresponsible do we give them a time out in the corner? Do we take their guns? Is that not a Ban but a Nab? 

[BIGUN 1,000]

1 minute ago, JoeWeber said:

So if someone is being irresponsible do we give them a time out in the corner? Do we take their guns? Is that not a Ban but a Nab? 

C'mon, Joe. You know me better than that. And, you've read all my suggestions including adding ten years with no parole if a weapon is used in the commission of a crime. Which some from your tribe said was a bit much. 

[JerryBaumchen 874]

52 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

I understand. Please understand there's "many a" Democrat, gun-toting, Christian. As long as we continue to point at who's saying it rather than why we need it _as a nation_  and get both aisles to sit the fuck down and talk with each other and not at each other. Nothing. We been talking about this logically for years now, but our politicians are just fucking inept. Both of ours. 

Hi Keith,

Re:  our politicians are just fucking inept. Both of ours. 

Far too much of a generalization to be taken serious.

With some politicians, yes for both parties; i.e.:

- Dianne Feinstein should have been sent into retirement 20 yrs ago

- Donald Trump should never have been elected President

We both could go on for a very long time.

For me, it is the same way with T's & P's.  For some people, this is very sincere & appreciated.  For too many, it is a vacant gesture.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Re:  get both aisles to sit the fuck down and talk with each other

If only.

PPS)  If anyone thinks that politics frustrates me [ it does ]; well, I just got a Universal Remote to cover all my 'not a lot' electronics; now, that is a frustrating learning curve.  But, I am getting there.  

 

Edited March 28 by JerryBaumchen

[JerryBaumchen 874]

44 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Bans don't work. We need a Gun Owner Responsibility bill across the board. 

Hi Keith,

I was writing my above response as this came in.

I disagree, we need a Supreme Court to re-define what can be allowed; with a modicum of common sense.

Jerry Baumchen

[gowlerk 1,610]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

I know what everyone meant, but it was getting close to being mean-spirited with the T's & P's

I used that first and I would have used it no matter the victims. It was not a shot at christians, it was a shot at the hypocrisy of the gun lobby and the politicians they have a mutual support relationship with. The most unusual thing about this event is not the identity of the victims, but that of the shooter.

[winsor 135]

Rather than vilifying inanimate objects, why don't we consider who is actually responsible? Going over the authors of the most recent atrocities, they are, without exception, Seriously Fucked Up People.

I know the 'solution' put forth is to constrain everyone to the limitations of the lowest common denominator, but I take exception to the dictatorship of the mediocre.

Perhaps I have been spoiled by living and working with people who can be trusted with lethal service on a mass scale, and so do not aspire to a nerf world.

YMMV

[gowlerk 1,610]

45 minutes ago, winsor said:

Rather than vilifying inanimate objects, why don't we consider who is actually responsible?

People are responsible. Because they are people and they make mistakes. You can't just predict who will misuse their inanimate objects. I give you Billy Vance as an example. 

[lippy 457]

17 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

People are responsible. Because they are people and they make mistakes. You can't just predict who will misuse their inanimate objects. I give you Billy Vance as an example. 

Billy was just one skydiver.  You can't use the example of one fucked-up individual to paint an entire group of people with the same broad br.....Oh, I see what you did there.

[jakee 981]

9 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Gentlemen, you're right at the edge of being giddy over someone's lost child - because they're Christian. 

Way to use a tragedy to make a really stupid point.

[winsor 135]

7 hours ago, gowlerk said:

People are responsible. Because they are people and they make mistakes. You can't just predict who will misuse their inanimate objects. I give you Billy Vance as an example. 

Billy's use of a sidearm is no more an indictment of firearms than the fellow in Idaho is an example of why civilians should not own Ka Bars or why ownership of SUVs should be proscribed because of the woman who drove off a cliff with her wife and six children. 

When someone uses skydiving as a way to commit suicide, there are those that consider this 'proof' that skydivers have a death wish.  Arguments to the contrary fall on deaf ears.

I have lived amongst people who cannot be trusted with pointy objects or blunt instruments, and with those who are entirely safe with metric tons of hydrogen cyanide, hydrogen fluoride or WMDs in general.  It's the people that form the basis of the threat.

'Gun violence' is a case in point of the Pareto principle in action. There is a distinct correlation between severely fucked up people and 'gun violence.'

People who are given to using firearms or Ka Bars or SUVs as instruments of violence are unfit to populate a free society.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

[BIGUN 1,000]

8 hours ago, gowlerk said:

I used that first and I would have used it no matter the victims. It was not a shot at christians, it was a shot at the hypocrisy of the gun lobby and the politicians they have a mutual support relationship with. The most unusual thing about this event is not the identity of the victims, but that of the shooter.

I know what you meant, Ken. As for that of the shooter. The shit show on twitter has begun. 

[jakee 981]

11 minutes ago, winsor said:

I have lived amongst people who cannot be trusted with pointy objects or blunt instruments, and with those who are entirely safe with metric tons of hydrogen cyanide, hydrogen fluoride or WMDs in general.  It's the people that form the basis of the threat.

Funnily enough I don’t think anyone is trusted with those things all on their own without comprehensive, multilayered systems of certification, regulation and oversight. 
 

I wonder if there’s some kind of lesson there…

[gowlerk 1,610]

2 hours ago, winsor said:

Billy's use of a sidearm is no more an indictment of firearms than the fellow in Idaho is an example of why civilians should not own Ka Bars 

 

2 hours ago, winsor said:

I have lived amongst people who cannot be trusted with pointy objects or blunt instruments, and with those who are entirely safe with metric tons of hydrogen cyanide, hydrogen fluoride or WMDs in general.  It's the people that form the basis of the threat.

That is exactly the problem. Those people you lived with who can't be trusted? They are trusted anyway because the good old 2nd says they must be. When everyone is armed some will use their arms and there is no way of predicting who it will be. To get back to the example of Billy not one of us and very likely none of his friends would have predicted what happened.

[kallend 1,345]

In 2022, Guns & Ammo ranked Tennessee as the 12th-best state in the country for gun owners. The state recently allowed residents to carry handguns in public without a permit. State officials are considering lowering the age to carry handguns without a permit from 21 to 18, according to the Associated Press.

The state  does not have a law banning high-capacity magazines or any restrictions on "assault" style weapons.

It's almost as if they WANT events like this to happen.

[BIGUN 1,000]

11 minutes ago, kallend said:

n 2022, Guns & Ammo ranked Tennessee as the 12th-best state in the country for gun owners. The state recently allowed residents to carry handguns in public without a permit. State officials are considering lowering the age to carry handguns without a permit from 21 to 18, according to the Associated Press.

Yet another state that enacted permit-less carry and had a mass school shooting event in less than a year.