JoeWeber 1,559 #1851 November 18, 2022 3 hours ago, billvon said: A well-armed student could have shot the cop before he managed to shoot the student, and it would have clearly been self defense. The only thing that stops a bad cop with a gun is a good student with a gun. Years ago I took pride in my hunting prowess.That ended one afternoon when my dog picked up a limit of wounded ducks on our way to the blind. Actually, there was a worse thing. No matter, except for home defense and gophers I am getting shed of all of my guns just to be less a part of our national silliness. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,432 #1852 November 18, 2022 44 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: No matter, except for home defense and gophers I am getting shed of all of my guns just to be less a part of our national silliness. Other than gophers who are you defending your home from? Unless you are shedding those guns by destroying them you are just transferring ownership of the silliness to another silly. But hey, baby steps are how we all learn to walk tall some day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 1,559 #1853 November 18, 2022 8 hours ago, gowlerk said: Other than gophers who are you defending your home from? Unless you are shedding those guns by destroying them you are just transferring ownership of the silliness to another silly. But hey, baby steps are how we all learn to walk tall some day. I don't know who I'm defending my home against. If I did I suppose I'd just go shoot them now and get rid of that gun, too. I could destroy my old hunting guns but none are the type I have great concerns over. So instead I'm giving them away to responsible hunters. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 433 #1854 November 19, 2022 On 11/1/2022 at 1:35 PM, JerryBaumchen said: Hi folks, Here's one to talk about: Why Tho? Readers weigh in on how they’d deal with guest bringing a gun to a party - oregonlive.com Thoughts if it were your home? If it were my home, they would be told to leave. Jerry Baumchen "Time for you to head home now." Anyone who mixed alcohol with brandishing a gun would get the bums' rush from my apartment. I would take the police approach. When mature police officers host parties, they insist on everyone leaving their car keys with the host and locking up guns. At the end of the evening, the host decides who is sober enough to drive home. If they think far enough ahead, they leave guns at home. These days, few Canadian police officers carry guns while off duty. Many just lock their guns at the police station at the end of their shift. It is almost impossible for a Canadian civilian to obtain a concealed-carry permit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,190 #1855 November 19, 2022 2 hours ago, riggerrob said: "Time for you to head home now." Anyone who mixed alcohol with brandishing a gun would get the bums' rush from my apartment. I would take the police approach. When mature police officers host parties, they insist on everyone leaving their car keys with the host and locking up guns. At the end of the evening, the host decides who is sober enough to drive home. If they think far enough ahead, they leave guns at home. These days, few Canadian police officers carry guns while off duty. Many just lock their guns at the police station at the end of their shift. It is almost impossible for a Canadian civilian to obtain a concealed-carry permit. Jeez, Canada must have a horrendous murder rate then, with civilians denied the means of self defense. Oh, wait..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,432 #1856 November 19, 2022 47 minutes ago, kallend said: Jeez, Canada must have a horrendous murder rate then, with civilians denied the means of self defense. Oh, wait..... When Canadians hear Americans talking about owning guns to defend their homes they don’t really know what that could be all about. It’s just such a strange idea. Even those of us who have guns don’t keep them in a state where they would be useful in the middle of the night when someone has broken in. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbpd610 0 #1857 November 20, 2022 3 hours ago, kallend said: Jeez, Canada must have a horrendous murder rate then, with civilians denied the means of self defense. Oh, wait..... What year was this data based on? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 1,660 #1858 November 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, nbpd610 said: What year was this data based on? 2013. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,190 #1859 November 20, 2022 Colorado Springs - 5 dead. 18 injured. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billeisele 107 #1860 November 20, 2022 A woman in Chicago with a concealed carry permit fought back with her gun against two armed would-be carjackers who approached her while she was in her car. "Thank God I had my gun, or I’d probably be dead right now." Her identity has not been released to the public. The 42-year-old woman was getting into her car outside a bank in Chicago’s Roseland neighborhood on Monday afternoon when the suspects approached her and pulled out a handgun. She had just gotten cash from the bank, which was still in her hand. "I had just come out of the bank and was sitting in my car about to lock my door to pull off in leave, and he opened my door and put a gun in my face," the unidentified woman said of one suspect. She then pulled out her own firearm and shot at the suspects. "And when he saw me get mine, he looked surprised – and I started shooting, and he started running," she told CBS Chicago. "He ran." Yes, having a gun is a choice and it has potential consequences. Evaluate the risks and make a choice. In this instance the lady was able to defend herself because she had a gun. Again, in a city with restrictive gun laws that clearly don't work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,190 #1861 November 20, 2022 1 hour ago, billeisele said: A woman in Chicago with a concealed carry permit fought back with her gun against two armed would-be carjackers who approached her while she was in her car. "Thank God I had my gun, or I’d probably be dead right now." Her identity has not been released to the public. The 42-year-old woman was getting into her car outside a bank in Chicago’s Roseland neighborhood on Monday afternoon when the suspects approached her and pulled out a handgun. She had just gotten cash from the bank, which was still in her hand. "I had just come out of the bank and was sitting in my car about to lock my door to pull off in leave, and he opened my door and put a gun in my face," the unidentified woman said of one suspect. She then pulled out her own firearm and shot at the suspects. "And when he saw me get mine, he looked surprised – and I started shooting, and he started running," she told CBS Chicago. "He ran." Yes, having a gun is a choice and it has potential consequences. Evaluate the risks and make a choice. In this instance the lady was able to defend herself because she had a gun. Again, in a city with restrictive gun laws that clearly don't work. Since she had a permit it appears the "restrictive" laws weren't a problem. In 2021 Chicago had the 11th highest murder rate of major US cities. Of the 10 major cities that had higher rates, 7 have much less restrictive laws than Chicago. Maybe St. Louis, KC, NOLA, Atlanta. . . can learn something from Chicago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 762 #1862 November 21, 2022 On 11/19/2022 at 9:56 AM, riggerrob said: It is almost impossible for a Canadian civilian to obtain a concealed-carry permit. Last known information is from 2018 when the RCMP confirmed there were two (2) people with Authorization To Carry for the protection of life. There are more people who have ATCs, but they all relate to people whose job it is to spend time in remote locations to allow them to carry restricted firearms for protection from wildlife. Anybody with a PAL can carry unrestricted firearms on crown land. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 1,660 #1863 November 21, 2022 On 11/20/2022 at 7:47 AM, kallend said: Colorado Springs - 5 dead. 18 injured. The killer's grandfather was a republican assemblyman who said that the Jan 6th attack "is Lexington and Concord. First shots fired against tyranny!" No surprise there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 1,556 #1864 November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, billvon said: The killer's grandfather was a republican assemblyman who said that the Jan 6th attack "is Lexington and Concord. First shots fired against tyranny!" No surprise there. And the Colorado Springs LÊ community has indicated that they won’t enforce the state’s new-ish red flag law. Since the shooter issued a bomb threat last year, it’s likely it would have flagged him. But hey, freedom, and it’s only a bunch of gays Wendy P. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 925 #1865 November 21, 2022 26 minutes ago, wmw999 said: And the Colorado Springs LÊ community has indicated that they won’t enforce the state’s new-ish red flag law. Since the shooter issued a bomb threat last year, it’s likely it would have flagged him. But hey, freedom, and it’s only a bunch of gays Wendy P. Hey, that 'bunch of gays' was FAAAAAR more effective at stopping the shooter than the ENTIRE Uvlade SWAT team. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,432 #1866 November 21, 2022 4 hours ago, wmw999 said: But hey, freedom, and it’s only a bunch of gays Be careful Wendy. Without a sarcasm font it seems people sometimes just don't get it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 1,559 #1867 November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, gowlerk said: Be careful Wendy. Without a sarcasm font it seems people sometimes just don't get it. No worries there, Chuck ain't posting here no more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billeisele 107 #1868 November 22, 2022 On 11/20/2022 at 12:50 PM, kallend said: Since she had a permit it appears the "restrictive" laws weren't a problem. In 2021 Chicago had the 11th highest murder rate of major US cities. Of the 10 major cities that had higher rates, 7 have much less restrictive laws than Chicago. Maybe St. Louis, KC, NOLA, Atlanta. . . can learn something from Chicago. Chicago - 600+ gun deaths so far this year, 20 last week. Lightfoot hasn't taken any affirmative steps but she is good at whining. The restrictive gun laws comment was directed at the fact that the criminal had a gun. Criminals do not follow the law and that's one reason why law abiding citizens want the option to have a gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,190 #1869 November 22, 2022 1 minute ago, billeisele said: Chicago - 600+ gun deaths so far this year, 20 last week. Lightfoot hasn't taken any affirmative steps but she is good at whining. The restrictive gun laws comment was directed at the fact that the criminal had a gun. Criminals do not follow the law and that's one reason why law abiding citizens want the option to have a gun. Apparently you don't understand the concept of RATE. Chicago isn't even in the top ten for RATE. Tell it to the mayors of Atlanta, Memphis, St. Louis, New Orleans or KC, each of which has a higher murder rate than Chicago, and each of which is in a "gun friendly" state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,190 #1870 November 22, 2022 Most dangerous citiles in the US, 2019 data (from that liberal rag, the Wall Street Journal): Bessemer, Alabama East St. Louis, Illinois Monroe, Louisiana St. Louis, Missouri Detroit, Michigan Baltimore, Maryland Memphis, Tennessee Camden, New Jersey Flint, Michigan Pine Bluff, Arkansas Danville, Illinois Gadsden, Alabama Kansas City, Missouri Wilmington, Delaware Little Rock, Arkansas Rockford, Illinois Saginaw, Michigan Chester, Pennsylvania Milwaukee, Wisconsin Myrtle Beach, South Carolina San Bernardino, California Cleveland, Ohio Alexandria, Louisiana Stockton, California Albuquerque, New Mexico Riviera Beach, Florida Indianapolis, Indiana Springfield, Missouri East Point, Georgia Oakland, California Lake Worth, Florida Florence, South Carolina Trenton, New Jersey Texarkana, Texas Shawnee, Oklahoma Newburgh, New York Muskogee, Oklahoma Wheeling, West Virginia Charleston, West Virginia Kalamazoo, Michigan Anchorage, Alaska Compton, California Jackson, Missouri Canton, Ohio Nashville, Tennessee Clinton, Iowa Harrisburg, Pennsylvania Albany, Georgia Niagara Falls, New York Farmington, New Mexico Lansing, Michigan New Orleans, Louisiana Houston, Texas Atlantic City, New Jersey Daytona Beach, Florida Minneapolis, Minnesota Chicago, Illinois Hartford, Connecticut Holyoke, Massachusetts Pontiac, Michigan Springfield, Illinois York, Pennsylvania Chattanooga, Tennessee Beaumont, Texas Salisbury, Maryland Pueblo, Colorado Tulsa, Oklahoma Baton Rouge, Louisiana South Bend, Indiana Wichita, Kansas North Las Vegas, Nevada Buffalo, New York Washington, D.C. Battle Creek, Michigan Jackson, Tennessee Fall River, Massachusetts Huntington, West Virginia Modesto, California Atlanta, Georgia Shreveport, Louisiana Homestead, Florida Miami Beach, Florida Brockton, Massachusetts Cincinnati, Ohio Fort Myers, Florida Chicago Heights, Illinois Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Juneau, Alaska Burlington, Iowa Richmond, California North Charleston, South Carolina Lauderhill, Florida Port Huron, Michigan Jacksonville, Arkansas Newark, New Jersey Huntsville, Alabama Rochester, New York Knoxville, Tennessee Albany, New York Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billeisele 107 #1871 November 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, kallend said: Apparently you don't understand the concept of RATE. Chicago isn't even in the top ten for RATE. Tell it to the mayors of Atlanta, Memphis, St. Louis, New Orleans or KC, each of which has a higher murder rate than Chicago, and each of which is in a "gun friendly" state. Too funny. I never said anything about RATE. I only stated current stats. I doubt that any of the 600+ dead would care that the death rate was lower in Chicago than other locations. The point is that certain restrictive gun laws are not effective and Chicago continues to demonstrate that. 600+ dead should not be considered success even though the RATE is lower than other places. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 1,660 #1872 November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, billeisele said: Criminals do not follow the law and that's one reason why law abiding citizens want the option to have a gun. Exactly. The murderer in Uvalde was stopped instantly by the well armed Texas populace before he killed more than a few people. and the unarmed people of Colorado Springs were helpless while the latest murderer killed dozens. Right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,432 #1873 November 22, 2022 56 minutes ago, billvon said: Exactly. The murderer in Uvalde was stopped instantly by the well armed Texas populace before he killed more than a few people. and the unarmed people of Colorado Springs were helpless while the latest murderer killed dozens. Right? Clearly the criminals of the USA need to be well armed to cope in a society flooded with weapons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,190 #1874 November 22, 2022 5 hours ago, billeisele said: Too funny. I never said anything about RATE. But I did, in the post to which you responded. You skipped a bunch of more dangerous cities in gun friendly states to pick on Chicago in a lame attempt to make a point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,190 #1875 November 22, 2022 5 hours ago, billeisele said: The restrictive gun laws comment was directed at the fact that the criminal had a gun. Criminals do not follow the law and that's one reason why law abiding citizens want the option to have a gun. Despite overwhelming evidence that having a gun at home makes you and your family MORE likely to be murder victims (data previously supplied). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
