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5 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Please direct our attentions to gun control legislation enacted that is directly owing to your letter writing campaigns.

As mentioned earlier and often; I am now shunned by my tribe in two areas; Guns and Global Warming. But, I continue to try and will keep wearing them out with facts. There's more of my tribe that feel the same way - and it's growing.

And to whom have you written or talked in any house about creating legislation. The liberal party is in control and they do nothing.  NOTHING. I've given you ANOTHER tool and yet you guys do nothing while children are being killed. Write your legislators and ask them to codify the NFA for all weapons and ammo. Think you can handle that?

Hell, you don't even have to leave the comfort of your laptop - all legislators now have an online text block for you to submit - and here's the really cool part, you can ask for a response and they get it to you. 

Give it a shot. Make your voice heard somewhere other than here. There's a fajita in it for you.  

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31 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

As mentioned earlier and often; I am now shunned by my tribe in two areas; Guns and Global Warming. But, I continue to try and will keep wearing them out with facts. There's more of my tribe that feel the same way - and it's growing.

And to whom have you written or talked in any house about creating legislation. The liberal party is in control and they do nothing.  NOTHING. I've given you ANOTHER tool and yet you guys do nothing while children are being killed. Write your legislators and ask them to codify the NFA for all weapons and ammo. Think you can handle that?

Hell, you don't even have to leave the comfort of your laptop - all legislators now have an online text block for you to submit - and here's the really cool part, you can ask for a response and they get it to you. 

Give it a shot. Make your voice heard somewhere other than here. There's a fajita in it for you.  

So none. Fair enough, we all contribute based on our talents. So, I’m in Oregon. My reps don’t need more letters to be more liberal. Maybe you’d be more useful to the cause of common sense if you abandoned your tribe for ours. A coming out of sorts, if you like.

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4 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

So none. Fair enough, we all contribute based on our talents. So, I’m in Oregon. My reps don’t need more letters to be more liberal. Maybe you’d be more useful to the cause of common sense if you abandoned your tribe for ours. A coming out of sorts, if you like.

Hi Joe,

Re:   I’m in Oregon. My reps don’t need more letters to be more liberal.

IMO we are fortunate.

Jerry Baumchen

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1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

As mentioned earlier and often; I am now shunned by my tribe in two areas; Guns and Global Warming. But, I continue to try and will keep wearing them out with facts. There's more of my tribe that feel the same way - and it's growing.

And to whom have you written or talked in any house about creating legislation. The liberal party is in control and they do nothing.  NOTHING. I've given you ANOTHER tool and yet you guys do nothing while children are being killed. Write your legislators and ask them to codify the NFA for all weapons and ammo. Think you can handle that?

Hell, you don't even have to leave the comfort of your laptop - all legislators now have an online text block for you to submit - and here's the really cool part, you can ask for a response and they get it to you. 

Give it a shot. Make your voice heard somewhere other than here. There's a fajita in it for you.  

Oh please! 

Every time state "LIB" legislators try to make sensible laws the conservatives on the Supreme Court stymie them.

Heller

McDonald

etc.

And until the filibuster goes away the GOP can block anything passing the Senate even if they're in a minority.

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1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

Figured. 

You really wanna draw attention back to your assertion that Kallend’s representative would have introduced legislation based on one conversation with one constituent?


You do you, I guess.

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2 minutes ago, kallend said:

You are foolishly  barking up the wrong tree with this.

I was left without comment to my question, so assumptions were made. You've yet to clarify if you had a gun specific conversation with him.  

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11 hours ago, kallend said:

You have yet to justify being so intrusive.

DAILY GUN VIOLENCE IMPACTING CHILDREN AND TEENS (1-17)

Every day, 22 children and teens (1-17) are shot in the United States. Among those:

  • 5 die from gun violence
  • 3 are murdered
  • 17 children and teens survive gunshot injuries
  • 8 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
  • 2 children and teens either die from gun suicide or survive an attempted gun suicide
  • 8 children and teens are unintentionally shot in instances of family fire — a shooting involving an improperly stored or misused gun found in the home resulting in injury or death

https://www.bradyunited.org/key-statistics

So, yeah, my question remains, What are you willing to do about it or are you just going to continue to post headline links every time another child gets shot?

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Bigun has stepped up and invested a lot of work, and some of his relationships, into what he sees as an issue that he can contribute to personally, and that's important. It's not a blah blah blah, because we have multiple threads addressing this issue (including this one, started by you).

If you don't like his approach (which does move the needle, and in a way that at least some conservatives find acceptable), how don't you like it? A national ban on firearms simply isn't going to happen, and you know that, too.

OTOH, I guess SC is exactly the place where people come to just gripe about stuff they don't want to actually do anything about. Not sure that's wonderful.

Wendy P.

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2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Bigun has stepped up and invested a lot of work, and some of his relationships, into what he sees as an issue that he can contribute to personally, and that's important. It's not a blah blah blah, because we have multiple threads addressing this issue (including this one, started by you).

If you don't like his approach (which does move the needle, and in a way that at least some conservatives find acceptable), how don't you like it? A national ban on firearms simply isn't going to happen, and you know that, too.

OTOH, I guess SC is exactly the place where people come to just gripe about stuff they don't want to actually do anything about. Not sure that's wonderful.

Wendy P.

OK, please direct our attentions to where BIGUN's approach, the one he adversely requires that we all adhere to so as to maintain our legitimacy, has "moved" the needle. He's smart, passionate and not fully in the box with his tribe but that would describe many of us here and is equally without pertinence. No person of letters has a snow balls chance in hell of adjusting, if only by an iota, the NRA bought and paid for position of the majority of the pandering, demagogic, right wing political minority that controls issue of gun control in America. Now, if BIGUN want's to lead a letter writing campaign that targets the right wing politicians he's helped install with sage advice on how to pull ones head out of their asses I might interested. But the idea that a well turned phrase can influence someone with the mentality of Sen. Tom Thune to reverse, or in any way meaningfully change, their position that AR-15's can never be restricted because they are useful for shooting prairie dogs is nothing short of phantasmagorical. Count me also as a "yawn".

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I have an emotional connection to Fred Guttenberg and sometimes emotion is a strong motivator (for me it's anger). Fred's 14 year-old daughter Jaime was killed at Parkland. My daughter is now 14 and the thought of it being a roll of the dice disturbs me. Last night, she had a sign language class at one of those big pizza franchises that specializes in parties, so they could enhance their skills. They had armed physical security. Bill and I grew up not too far from each other in NY.  Our parents, ourselves had less concerns about gun violence than we ever had for our kids today. It's not right.

Here's a pic of Fred's daughter performing at the school. A few nights ago, Elton John honored her by paying tribute and using her name while singing "Tiny Dancer."

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Fred and I don't agree on a couple of issues, 1) you're never going to ban AR's (at least not across the country). and 2) we cannot rid ourselves of the second amendment. But what we can agree on, and what I'm asking you to consider is to write your representatives and ask for the NFA to become law for the sale of all guns and ammo. It was codified in 1934 for machine guns, short shotguns and ammo - later extended to silencers and additional machine guns. The prohibitive tax back then was $200.00 or the approximate equivalent of ~4K for each weapon today. Today $200.00 doesn't even get you a nice pair of tennis shoes.

And you had and still have to wait four-six months for the deep background check and waiting period.  How's that for a cooling off period? Anyway, I've said and done all I can with you guys on this subject in this forum. I will continue to bring some form of balance between No 2nd amendment and carrying machine guns on your hip. If you get a chance. Logon to your representatives website and ask them to consider codifying the NFA for all guns and ammo. If you do; check the box that says you'd like a response from that representative. I wish you guys well.  

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11 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

I have an emotional connection to Fred Guttenberg and sometimes emotion is a strong motivator (for me it's anger). Fred's 14 year-old daughter Jaime was killed at Parkland. My daughter is now 14 and the thought of it being a roll of the dice disturbs me. Last night, she had a sign language class at one of those big pizza franchises that specializes in parties, so they could enhance their skills. They had armed physical security. Bill and I grew up not too far from each other in NY.  Our parents, ourselves had less concerns about gun violence than we ever had for our kids today. It's not right.

Here's a pic of Fred's daughter performing at the school. A few nights ago, Elton John honored her by paying tribute and using her name while singing "Tiny Dancer."

image.png.b6aa9fb89570493a024fc4036e530f3b.png  

Fred and I don't agree on a couple of issues, 1) you're never going to ban AR's (at least not across the country). and 2) we cannot rid ourselves of the second amendment. But what we can agree on, and what I'm asking you to consider is to write your representatives and ask for the NFA to become law for the sale of all guns and ammo. It was codified in 1934 for machine guns, short shotguns and ammo - later extended to silencers and additional machine guns. The prohibitive tax back then was $200.00 or ~4K for each weapon. Today $200.00 doesn't even get you a nice pair of tennis shoes.

And you had and still have to wait four-six months for the deep background check and waiting period.  How's that for a cooling off period? Anyway, I've said and done all I can with you guys on this subject in this forum. I will continue to bring some form of balance between No 2nd amendment and carrying machine guns on your hip. If you get a chance. Logon to your representatives website and ask them to consider codifying the NFA for all guns and ammo. If you do; check the box that says you'd like a response from that representative. I wish you guys well.  

 

 

 

 

With respect, if you want to do something impactful go to your local voting registration office and check the box that say's Democrat. Then, on the way home, tell all of your conservative friends that if they really care about gun violence in America to do the same because nothing will change until their favorite demagogue sees the numbers swinging against them. 

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2 hours ago, billvon said:

The next time this issue comes up, I will remember your position that 22 kids dying a day is "blah blah blah" "yawn."

Incorrect.  Bigun's repeated attempts to get me to discuss a private meeting with a senior member of the Senate is the yawn.

 

A very brief use of the search function will reveal very clearly what I have written about firearms control and gun crime over a period of many years. I'm surprised you didn't try it before making your uninformed and insulting comment.

 

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4 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Bigun has stepped up and invested a lot of work, and some of his relationships, into what he sees as an issue that he can contribute to personally, and that's important. It's not a blah blah blah, because we have multiple threads addressing this issue (including this one, started by you).

If you don't like his approach (which does move the needle, and in a way that at least some conservatives find acceptable), how don't you like it? A national ban on firearms simply isn't going to happen, and you know that, too.

OTOH, I guess SC is exactly the place where people come to just gripe about stuff they don't want to actually do anything about. Not sure that's wonderful.

Wendy P.

Bigun is repeatedly whining that I won't reveal the details of a PRIVATE meeting I had with a very senior member of the US Senate.  It's tiresome - hence the "yawn".

Read the thread since you seem to have lost track.

He can keep whining.

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10 minutes ago, kallend said:

Bigun is repeatedly whining that I won't reveal the details of a PRIVATE meeting I had with a very senior member of the US Senate.  It's tiresome - hence the "yawn".

Probably because you shamelessly name dropped and referred publically to the meeting that you now are insisting on privacy over. The only "details" he asked about was where the subject at hand came up. 

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5 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Bigun has stepped up and invested a lot of work, and some of his relationships, into what he sees as an issue that he can contribute to personally, and that's important.

Really though? Have his representatives actually introduced legislation based on his ideas? 

 

Because if not then according to Bigun, Bigun is fibbing and hasn't actually done anything at all.

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