More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

[Phil1111 910]

3 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Phil,

But, a forked tongue is easy to notice.

Jerry Baumchen

Some cover their forked tongues with prosthetics. Which they use when kissing babies so as not to scare them. When throwing out red meat to their supporters. At times when their speeches are not heard by the public at large When they really get wound up and the lies-a-start to flowing. The tongue cap gets spit out.

[kallend 1,623]

What a fucking hypocrite.  

“I will examine details to see if there are any steps that could have been taken to prevent this type of tragedy,” Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R) said in a statement issued after Saturday’s car show mass shooting in Dumas. AR.  AR has the eighth-highest rate of gun deaths in the United States, and is ranked as having the country’s weakest gun laws in the Giffords Law Center Annual Gun Law Scorecard. The state’s standing was reinforced last year with enactment of a law preventing cities from creating gun-free zones and repeal of a law that required a permit to carry a concealed firearm in public, an act that Hutchinson signed into law.

[JoeWeber 2,299]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

What a fucking hypocrite.  

“I will examine details to see if there are any steps that could have been taken to prevent this type of tragedy,” Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R) said in a statement issued after Saturday’s car show mass shooting in Dumas. AR.  AR has the eighth-highest rate of gun deaths in the United States, and is ranked as having the country’s weakest gun laws in the Giffords Law Center Annual Gun Law Scorecard. The state’s standing was reinforced last year with enactment of a law preventing cities from creating gun-free zones and repeal of a law that required a permit to carry a concealed firearm in public, an act that Hutchinson signed into law.

Things will never improve until it becomes a crime to be a victim.

[SkyDekker 1,122]

5 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Things will never improve until it becomes a crime to be a victim.

That's already very close on the horizon: rape victims sentenced to death for getting an abortion.

[JoeWeber 2,299]

6 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

That's already very close on the horizon: rape victims sentenced to death for getting an abortion.

Absolutely, and in By God South Carolina you'll soon be able to exercise your second amendment rights by shooting prisoners. Who knows, maybe they'll make a sport out of it and issue tags.

Edited March 25, 2022 by JoeWeber

[Phil1111 910]

5 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Absolutely, and in By God South Carolina you'll soon be able to exercise your second amendment rights by shooting prisoners. Who knows, maybe they'll make a sport out of it and issue tags.

and televise it on TRUTH, the NRATV, so sponsors can get too.

Edited March 25, 2022 by Phil1111

[JoeWeber 2,299]

3 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

and televise it on TRUTH, the NRATV, so sponsors can get too.

It won't be taken seriously if it's not. The really great thing is that now actual cops, not some cheesy doctor will be in on the fun. Three volunteer officers, which is dumb because for sure you could sell the slots for real coin, all with loaded weapons so no one gets gypped or leaves consumed by doubt will all fire at the candidates heart from 15 feet away. You know, close enough to see the party boys chest stop heaving. Big fun, for sure.

[kallend 1,623]

Bad guy(s) with guns . . . .

“Unknown individual(s) brutally murdered the owner of Lock, Stock, and Barrel Shooting Range Inc., and two family members on the evening of Friday, April 8, 2022, during an apparent armed robbery,” read an ATF news release.

“The brutality of these senseless murders along with the fact that these killer(s) have acquired additional firearms make solving this case our top priority,” ATF Atlanta Field Division Special Agent in Charge Benjamin P. Gibbons said in the statement.

[billvon 2,399]

43 minutes ago, kallend said:

“Unknown individual(s) brutally murdered the owner of Lock, Stock, and Barrel Shooting Range Inc., and two family members on the evening of Friday, April 8, 2022, during an apparent armed robbery."

Clearly the problem here was that the owners of the gun range did not have enough weapons.  Surely there's a way to blame Biden here.

[kallend 1,623]

6 hours ago, billvon said:

Clearly the problem here was that the owners of the gun range did not have enough weapons.  Surely there's a way to blame Biden here.

Clearly!

Same thing happened in Glenwood when I lived there. Not enough guns,

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-09-20-9809200141-story.html

As an aside, I see that over a 4 year period the Glenwood Gun Shop and Range had sold guns quite legally to "law abiding citizens" that subsequently turned up in 366 crimes, according to the IL state police.

Edited April 10, 2022 by kallend

[billeisele 122]

On 3/25/2022 at 12:01 PM, JoeWeber said:

Absolutely, and in By God South Carolina you'll soon be able to exercise your second amendment rights by shooting prisoners. Who knows, maybe they'll make a sport out of it and issue tags.

There's an execution scheduled April 29 for a murder committed in 1999. The guy was given the choice of the E-Chair or F-Squad. He's required to choose at least 14 days before the scheduled execution, that date is this week.
 

When lethal injection drugs became unavailable his law team successfully argued that having only one option, the E-Chair, for death was not acceptable. Lawmakers then reauthorized the F-Squad. The team then argued cruel and unusual punishment. What they are really arguing is that the punishment doesn't fit the crime, it should have been life in prison. That was denied by the State Supreme Court. The team is appealing to the US Supreme Ct.

The procedure is: hooded prisoner strapped to a metal chair, target placed over the heart, and 3 volunteer prison workers firing from 15' away through a rectangular opening. 

Seems that the real issue is lack of lethal injection drugs. There must be some cost, difficulty, patent or other reason the State doesn't just make the drugs.

[JoeWeber 2,299]

3 minutes ago, billeisele said:

There's an execution scheduled April 29 for a murder committed in 1999. The guy was given the choice of the E-Chair or F-Squad. He's required to choose at least 14 days before the scheduled execution, that date is this week.
 

When lethal injection drugs became unavailable his law team successfully argued that having only one option, the E-Chair, for death was not acceptable. Lawmakers then reauthorized the F-Squad. The team then argued cruel and unusual punishment. What they are really arguing is that the punishment doesn't fit the crime, it should have been life in prison. That was denied by the State Supreme Court. The team is appealing to the US Supreme Ct.

The procedure is: hooded prisoner strapped to a metal chair, target placed over the heart, and 3 volunteer prison workers firing from 15' away through a rectangular opening. 

Seems that the real issue is lack of lethal injection drugs. There must be some cost, difficulty, patent or other reason the State doesn't just make the drugs.

F-Squad like F-Troop? Say it out loud: Firing Squad. And each of the three volunteers, how'll they'll select the lucky winners from the horde sure to offer their services is anyones guess, will be firing a live round. They'll get to know they shot the bastard. The why of that little change is the real issue. 

[billeisele 122]

2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

F-Squad like F-Troop? Say it out loud: Firing Squad. And each of the three volunteers, how'll they'll select the lucky winners from the horde sure to offer their services is anyones guess, will be firing a live round. They'll get to know they shot the bastard. The why of that little change is the real issue. 

Joe - I don't understand the last sentence. 

As for, will the squad be allowed and how they do it, we'll find out soon enough.

[JoeWeber 2,299]

1 minute ago, billeisele said:

Joe - I don't understand the last sentence. 

As for, will the squad be allowed and how they do it, we'll find out soon enough.

Unless they changed, or do change, the protocol it will be three volunteers and all will shoot live rounds. Bill, in all things get your head into the why of it. Figuring out why did someone played a certain card, for example, might give you the game. If naught else you'll better understand how they play. Here, why, when civilian firing squads customarily used one blank round did the game change? Could they only find room for three shooters and it's an act of humanity worth not providing the possibility of doubt for a regretful participant? Or did the jerks who designed it just naturally assume that anyone with a pair would want to know the put a hole in the bastard? 

[billeisele 122]

Bad guys with guns in the State with the most restrictive gun laws. Apparently they aren't working. 

Sacramento - 6 dead, a dozen wounded, multiple guns used, 5+ shooters, 100+ rounds fired, two blocks from the state capitol, gang violence, multiple gun laws violated, one shooter was prohibited from owning a gun but had a full auto. Good news is there have been some arrests.

 

[JoeWeber 2,299]

3 minutes ago, billeisele said:

Bad guys with guns in the State with the most restrictive gun laws. Apparently they aren't working. 

Sacramento - 6 dead, a dozen wounded, multiple guns used, 5+ shooters, 100+ rounds fired, two blocks from the state capitol, gang violence, multiple gun laws violated, one shooter was prohibited from owning a gun but had a full auto. Good news is there have been some arrests.

 

They aren't working? Really? Damn, that's odd, you'd think that a few words on a sheet of paper could overwhelm an onslaught of guns, ammo, and jackasses. Maybe we should try something else or just give up and wear targets. What's your constructive suggestion?

[billeisele 122]

7 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Unless they changed, or do change, the protocol it will be three volunteers and all will shoot live rounds. Bill, in all things get your head into the why of it. Figuring out why did someone played a certain card, for example, might give you the game. If naught else you'll better understand how they play. Here, why, when civilian firing squads customarily used one blank round did the game change? Could they only find room for three shooters and it's an act of humanity worth not providing the possibility of doubt for a regretful participant? Or did the jerks who designed it just naturally assume that anyone with a pair would want to know the put a hole in the bastard? 

Thanks for the clarification. All good issues. I might be able to find some answers from a local source.

One, weak, explanation is they converted an existing "death chamber facility" to a firing squad place. I'm guessing that space was used for lethal injection, not too large. Cost was ~$54k.

1 actual bullet vs. 3 bullets. Both methods allow a volunteer to rationalize that they only participated. 3 bullets ensure that it's effective, no misses. On that point...why not have the rifles mounted in a frame and triggers activated by a machine.

This story is constantly in the local news. I suspect a reporter will dig into this further and we'll get more info. How they pick the volunteers will be interesting.

[JoeWeber 2,299]

3 minutes ago, billeisele said:

Thanks for the clarification. All good issues. I might be able to find some answers from a local source.

One, weak, explanation is they converted an existing "death chamber facility" to a firing squad place. I'm guessing that space was used for lethal injection, not too large. Cost was ~$54k.

1 actual bullet vs. 3 bullets. Both methods allow a volunteer to rationalize that they only participated. 3 bullets ensure that it's effective, no misses. On that point...why not have the rifles mounted in a frame and triggers activated by a machine.

This story is constantly in the local news. I suspect a reporter will dig into this further and we'll get more info. How they pick the volunteers will be interesting.

Why not ask for just one proud South Carolinian to put one in the back of his head? Hey, I know! We could tie him to the front of a Demolition Derby car like the Greeks used to do Romans on their Galley's. 

[billeisele 122]

18 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

They aren't working? Really? Damn, that's odd, you'd think that a few words on a sheet of paper could overwhelm an onslaught of guns, ammo, and jackasses. Maybe we should try something else or just give up and wear targets. What's your constructive suggestion?

I've asked Kallend - our most avid anti-gun whiner - that exact question weeks ago, still no answer.

I've previously provided suggestions and agreed with others that have made them. I'm not a fan of the wild west rules we have here in SC. As an example, IMO, the process to obtain and retain a CWP is much too weak. Equally worrisome is the list of states that have reciprocal agreements with SC, that tends to show that they are all lax.

My answer on CA is - the laws are probably having some impact on reducing gun crimes but not sure how that would be measured.  I hope they are because they are making it quite difficult for law abiding citizens to obtain and enjoy a firearm. From an article in Cal Matters by Dan Walters (no clue if this is a reliable source): 

I'm doubting this quote, not sure how this could be confirmed. "California has the nation’s most restrictive gun laws but they have failed to stem the increase in gun ownership, the availability of illegal guns by criminals or gun violence."

This has some truth but also seems like some saber rattling. "...underscores the folly of believing that “gun violence” can be meaningfully reduced by trying to choke off the supply of firearms – any more than the prohibition of liquor or the war on drugs succeeded. The state’s gun laws have hassled law-abiding hunters and gun hobbyists and some are in danger of being declared unconstitutional. However, Californians already own more than 20 million rifles, shotguns and handguns and are buying hundreds of thousands more each year. Nor have these laws prevented the lawless from obtaining weapons via theft, smuggling from other states or the illicit manufacture of untraceable “ghost guns.” Indeed, state restrictions have made the black market even more lucrative, mirroring the side effects of Prohibition and the decades-long drug war."

 

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

1 hour ago, billeisele said:

Seems that the real issue is lack of lethal injection drugs. There must be some cost, difficulty, patent or other reason the State doesn't just make the drugs.

The state isn't a pharmaceutical company. They don't have the facilities to make them.

The actual pharmaceutical companies are getting out of the business of killing people. 
 

For a variety of reasons.

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/lethal-injection-pharma-kill-death-penalty/

[billeisele 122]

14 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Why not ask for just one proud South Carolinian to put one in the back of his head? Hey, I know! We could tie him to the front of a Demolition Derby car like the Greeks used to do Romans on their Galley's. 

A family member of the slain store clerk that was trying to support his family would be a good candidate. 

We don't do the Greek chariot thing. We either: shoot them and throw them in one of the many backwoods rivers, take them offshore fishing, stab them, throw them overboard and let the sharks dine, or take them to the swamp, wound them and leave. Then there was the drug dealing DZO that cheated a customer, was shot and buried with lime on top. There's still a degree of backwoods justice still going on.

[billeisele 122]

5 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

The state isn't a pharmaceutical company. They don't have the facilities to make them.

The actual pharmaceutical companies are getting out of the business of killing people. 
 

For a variety of reasons.

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/lethal-injection-pharma-kill-death-penalty/

The State has a highly accredited lab that does all kinds of things. Richland County has a similar lab. Don't know how hard it is to make the drugs, that may be a show stopper. 

One would think that other options have been considered.

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

2 minutes ago, billeisele said:

The State has a highly accredited lab that does all kinds of things. Richland County has a similar lab. Don't know how hard it is to make the drugs, that may be a show stopper. 

One would think that other options have been considered.

What sort of 'lab'? Not all "labs" are the same.

A lab that processes crime scene evidence isn't the same as a drug factory.

Manufacturing pharmaceuticals isn't a simple process.

I'd kind of guess that the states that execute people and the federal government have thought up most of the 'other options'. 
The ones that seem most viable are frying or shooting the convicted criminals.

[jakee 1,254]

39 minutes ago, billeisele said:

Then there was the drug dealing DZO that cheated a customer, was shot and buried with lime on top. There's still a degree of backwoods justice still going on.

Criminals murdering other criminals isn’t justice. Not really sure why that needs to be pointed out.

[jakee 1,254]

1 hour ago, billeisele said:

1 actual bullet vs. 3 bullets. Both methods allow a volunteer to rationalize that they only participated. 3 bullets ensure that it's effective, no misses. On that point...why not have the rifles mounted in a frame and triggers activated by a machine.

Why have the rifles mounted in a frame and activated by machine? Someone still has to set it up and someone still has to press go on the machine. If you’re that concerned about protecting people from the experience of being an executioner you might simply have to consider that executing people is something you shouldn’t be doing at all.

 

Otherwise, if I was on death row and had the option of lethal injection or being shot I’d go with the firing squad without a doubt. Lethal injection is fucking awful and it’s absolutely astounding that anyone thinks it’s a method that should be used.