wmw999 1,874 #2876 May 12 Stand your ground laws tied to higher homicide rate I realize that if your family is one that feels they benefitted from the stand your ground law, it may not matter that overall more people are dying. But they are. And the stories of people who made mistakes aren't the ones being spread on the internet. Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,739 #2877 May 13 2 hours ago, kallend said: Does living in Texas make you crazier than living in NY? Now there's a question that could be argued in either direction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,026 #2878 May 13 14 hours ago, kallend said: Does living in Texas make you crazier than living in NY? But, less crazy than living in California. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,492 #2879 May 13 3 minutes ago, BIGUN said: But, less crazy than living in California. Not homicidal crazy. Texas wins there. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,026 #2880 May 13 Just now, kallend said: Not homicidal crazy. Texas wins there. Nope. Homicidal Crazy. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,492 #2881 May 13 1 minute ago, BIGUN said: Nope. Homicidal Crazy. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm Nope. 8.2 > 6.4 per 100,000 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,026 #2882 May 13 22 minutes ago, kallend said: Nope. 8.2 > 6.4 per 100,000 You're right. I was looking at total homicides. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 1,874 #2883 May 13 28 minutes ago, BIGUN said: You're right. I was looking at total homicides. And that's what I love about you... Wendy P. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 530 #2884 May 13 2 hours ago, wmw999 said: And that's what I love about you... Wendy P. He's pretty cool about a number of other things as well. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 826 #2885 May 13 5 minutes ago, normiss said: He's pretty cool about a number of other things as well. Harley guys banding together. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 530 #2886 May 13 1 hour ago, Phil1111 said: Harley guys banding together. They're almost as bad as skydivers. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 557 #2887 May 16 On 5/13/2023 at 9:20 AM, normiss said: They're almost as bad as skydivers. Back when I started jumping (1970s) skydivers and "dirty bikers" often dressed and acted the same. They also "moved" similar recreational drugs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 530 #2888 May 16 32 minutes ago, riggerrob said: Back when I started jumping (1970s) skydivers and "dirty bikers" often dressed and acted the same. They also "moved" similar recreational drugs. Why are you speaking in past tense? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 557 #2889 May 16 6 hours ago, normiss said: Why are you speaking in past tense? On some DZs that is still the present tense. Some skydivers never mature and never grow beyond the recreational drugs that they consumed as teenagers or in their twenties. Back in my twenties, I developed an addiction to caffeine and have never been able to shake that addiction. The only difference now is that I drink my last cup of coffee before 13:00 in order to allow it filter out of my system and get a decent night's sleep. Back during my twenties I also smoked a little marijuana, tried hashish, tried speed, etc. but my only lasting drug problem was alcohol. Eventually I automatically picked up a beer every day at sunset. I knew that alcohol was aggravating my insomnia, but it had become a bad habit that was difficult to control. Eventually I was forced to decide between drinking with the boys on Friday evening versus getting up early enough to catch the first load Saturday morning. The first decision was admitting that I could only have one of those pleasures. I decided that the first load was more important and that decision helped me maintain a full-time skydiving career for 18 years. I have been sober for 26 years now. Every time I consider drinking again, I remember the three day long hangovers the last year that I drank. Sorry boys, but Ihave more important things to do than drink beers with you. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timski 79 #2890 May 17 https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/farmington-new-mexico-shooting-05-16-23/index.html BAD guy, suffers INSTANT justice at the hands of law enforcement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,739 #2891 May 17 48 minutes ago, timski said: https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/farmington-new-mexico-shooting-05-16-23/index.html BAD guy, suffers INSTANT justice at the hands of law enforcement. Yes, it is so wonderful that mass shooters can be stopped so efficiently. And usually before more than 5 or so innocents are dead. It's a wonderful world. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timski 79 #2892 May 17 1 hour ago, gowlerk said: Yes, it is so wonderful that mass shooters can be stopped so efficiently. And usually before more than 5 or so innocents are dead. It's a wonderful world. Let's dig deeper, a young person with "problems" who had EASY access to firearms. So who's to blame here? Crucify the gun owners who fail to secure their firearms. *suggestion: ALL law biding citizens with properly registered weapons are subject to unannounced visits from state troopers for "spot checks". I mean, what do you have to hide??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,087 #2893 May 17 2 hours ago, timski said: *suggestion: ALL law biding citizens with properly registered weapons are subject to unannounced visits from state troopers for "spot checks". I mean, what do you have to hide??? If you like. I prefer more straightforward approaches. If a gun sold to you is ever used in a crime, or accidental shooting, you go to jail for ten years period. No exceptions. That way no responsible, law abiding gun owners are affected - but the irresponsible gun owners are very, very afraid. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,182 #2894 May 17 13 hours ago, timski said: https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/farmington-new-mexico-shooting-05-16-23/index.html BAD guy, suffers INSTANT justice at the hands of law enforcement. 3 dead. Six wounded, including a cop. The shooter fired off somewhere around 150 rounds before being stopped. Apparently you have a slightly different definition of the word 'instant' than I do. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,492 #2895 May 17 11 hours ago, timski said: Let's dig deeper, a young person with "problems" who had EASY access to firearms. So who's to blame here? Crucify the gun owners who fail to secure their firearms. *suggestion: ALL law biding citizens with properly registered weapons are subject to unannounced visits from state troopers for "spot checks". I mean, what do you have to hide??? Lots of young people have "problems" in Canada, Australia, UK, Germany, Japan, NZ, France, Netherlands, Sweden, etc. Only in those countries they don't have easy access to killing machines, which is why the USA has a far higher murder rate than any other wealthy nation. The problem isn't mental health, the problem is the gun. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 557 #2896 May 17 9 hours ago, billvon said: If you like. I prefer more straightforward approaches. If a gun sold to you is ever used in a crime, or accidental shooting, you go to jail for ten years period. No exceptions. That way no responsible, law abiding gun owners are affected - but the irresponsible gun owners are very, very afraid. Dear Bill, Would you cut gun owners any slack if they promptly reported a gun stolen from them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,087 #2897 May 17 9 minutes ago, riggerrob said: Dear Bill, Would you cut gun owners any slack if they promptly reported a gun stolen from them? Good question. I'd cut the sentence by half if the gun is used in a crime (so as to not deter reporting.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 557 #2898 May 17 1 minute ago, billvon said: Good question. I'd cut the sentence by half if the gun is used in a crime (so as to not deter reporting.) Good point Bill. A mandatory minimum jail sentence would also encourage gun-owners to invest in serious trigger locks and steel gun safes. A trigger lock being waaaaaay cheaper than bail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,087 #2899 May 17 In Texas (of course) a 12 year old just murdered a Sonic employee with an AR-15. His father was peeing in the parking lot, and a Sonic employee came out to tell him to stop. A fight ensued and the 12 year old fired several times at the employee. Can't wait for Ted Cruz to defend the 12 year old as a model for all young children, protecting their families from violent thugs. https://www.fox4news.com/news/keene-sonic-worker-killed-by-12-year-old-with-ar-15-rifle-police-say Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,492 #2900 May 17 23 minutes ago, billvon said: In Texas (of course) a 12 year old just murdered a Sonic employee with an AR-15. His father was peeing in the parking lot, and a Sonic employee came out to tell him to stop. A fight ensued and the 12 year old fired several times at the employee. Can't wait for Ted Cruz to defend the 12 year old as a model for all young children, protecting their families from violent thugs. https://www.fox4news.com/news/keene-sonic-worker-killed-by-12-year-old-with-ar-15-rifle-police-say "An armed society is a polite society". Except in the USA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
