More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

[BIGUN 1,000]

17 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

yet in April he slashed $211 million from the department that oversees mental health programs."

Perhaps increasing the prison budget is the goal. 

https://scholarship.law.columbia.edu/faculty_scholarship/2614/

[gowlerk 1,610]

45 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Shadows scared him into self protection mode. Ridiculous.

Good thing he was ready with his killing machine handy.

[riggerrob 501]

2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Good thing he was ready with his killing machine handy.

Excessive paranoia is a mental health problem.

[normiss 422]

4 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Good thing he was ready with his killing machine handy.

She clearly needs to work on her hide and seek skills. /s

[GeorgiaDon 278]

2 hours ago, riggerrob said:

Excessive paranoia is a mental health problem.

Yes it is.  Where does that get us?  How many paranoid people are likely to see medical care for their paranoia?  As a ball-park estimate, I would say none.  If you are paranoid, are you going to trust a doctor, or anyone, who tells you you have a problem?  OK, but maybe family, friends, or coworkers will make the mentally ill person get treatment?  In the USA that cannot be done.  You can't force anyone to get treatment against their will, unless you are willing to sign an affidavit that the person is an immediate danger to themselves or others.  That affidavit requires proof that the subject did or said something that establishes that there is no alternative besides incarceration in a mental hospital to keep them from killing themselves or others.  Now they are at the tender mercies of the judicial system, and are certain to suffer lifelong problems with employment, finding housing, etc. because they now have involuntary commitment to a mental facility on their record.  Very few people are willing to do that to a family member, close friend, or coworker.  I found this out from personal experience when I had an employee who showed all the symptoms of being a paranoid schizophrenic,  They were not in any way violent, just the kind of person who took all the batteries out of smoke detectors in their apartment because they were certain they were cameras and microphones.  I felt badly for them because their illness was messing up their life, they had no friends or romantic partners because people were scared away as soon as the paranoia came out.  But as an employer/friend there was nothing I could do except talk to them, which ruined our relationship.  Because paranoia.

The mental health issue is real, but a distraction at the same time.  No-one is kept from buying guns due to mental illness until they commit a violent crime, by which time you already have victims.

The alternative is to force people to undergo diagnosis and treatment against their will.  In what way is that to be preferred over background checks, waiting periods, age restrictions (21) before being able to buy military type weapons, or restrictions on magazine capacity?  As it is we have the worse of all combinations: anybody (even paranoid, excessively angry, or delusional people) can buy whatever they want in the way of guns, and nobody can force them into treatment until they kill a bunch of people.  Yay!!

[billvon 1,945]

Twice this week, and both in Texas, mothers died covering their one surviving child from the armed man who had just murdered her other child in front of her.

But let's hear again how the real threat to kids in the US is drag queens.

[SkyDekker 901]

On 5/6/2023 at 6:27 AM, JoeWeber said:

Are you referring to a certain government of the people, by the people, for the people?

Uhuh, but "people' includes "corporations" in that sentence and hence not equivalent to the "people" Kallend was referring to.

[JoeWeber 1,866]

34 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Uhuh, but "people' includes "corporations" in that sentence and hence not equivalent to the "people" Kallend was referring to.

Call me old fashioned but I’m sticking with Lincoln’s definition.

[Phil1111 691]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Twice this week, and both in Texas, mothers died covering their one surviving child from the armed man who had just murdered her other child in front of her.

But let's hear again how the real threat to kids in the US is drag queens.

Meanwhile in Florida. A state not unfamiliar with school shootings. Attacks on bars frequented by LGBTQ people.

Cleansing schoolbooks is on the agenda.

• "An elementary school textbook no longer includes “home support” guidance on how to talk about the national anthem, which had included advice that parents could “use this as an opportunity to talk about why some citizens are choosing to “take a knee” to protest police brutality and racism.” Florida officials said that content was not age-appropriate.

• A text on different types of economies was edited to take out a description of socialism as keeping things “nice and even” and potentially promoting greater equality. The description was flagged as inaccurate, and mention of the term “socialism” was removed entirely."

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Wednesday backed an effort to lower the statewide age requirement to purchase a rifle, calling a current law that bars 18-year-olds from buying firearms "unconstitutional." 

[billvon 1,945]

5 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Wednesday backed an effort to lower the statewide age requirement to purchase a rifle, calling a current law that bars 18-year-olds from buying firearms "unconstitutional." 

Well, we now know that conservatives consider 2 years old to be a little too late to get that first gun.

[BartsDaddy 3]

12 hours ago, billvon said:

Well, we now know that conservatives consider 2 years old to be a little too late to get that first gun.

Well I bought my first gun at 12. I still have it a 30-30 Marlin bought with money earned standing on street corners selling flowers.

[gowlerk 1,610]

1 hour ago, BartsDaddy said:

Well I bought my first gun at 12. I still have it a 30-30 Marlin bought with money earned standing on street corners selling flowers.

We got our .22 lever actions from the proceeds of selling grams of Lebanese blonde.

[BartsDaddy 3]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

We got our .22 lever actions from the proceeds of selling grams of Lebanese blonde.

well you probably made more than me. Except on Mothers day or Valentines day those two days made a fortune on roses

[kallend 1,345]

On 5/10/2023 at 4:51 AM, riggerrob said:

Excessive paranoia is a mental health problem.

 As though other countries with far fewer gun deaths don’t also have people who struggle with mental health issues.  What a stupid red herring.

 

If more guns will make us safer, as Gov. Abbot and other NRA apologists claim,  just how many are needed to turn around the trend of more gun deaths each year?

[Phil1111 691]

On 5/9/2023 at 10:51 AM, riggerrob said:

Excessive paranoia is a mental health problem.

As developed, advertised, promoted by the NRA and the gun industry. A home invader is right around the corner. You can be carjacked in the Costco parking lot. You need more guns to protect your family.

Keep that gun by the front door. Anyone driving up your driveway can be a home invader. Children today can rob and kill you as fast as an adult. Look what happened with that six year old and his teacher.in Virginia.

6 hours ago, kallend said:

 As though other countries with far fewer gun deaths don’t also have people who struggle with mental health issues.  What a stupid red herring.

Not necessarily. Fear has been the selling feature in America for more guns in every corner of the debate.Where else in the world do food delivery drivers get shot for knocking on the door?

This month more immigrants will pour into the US  Even though immigrants have proven to be more law abiding than average Americans.They will be used to sell more guns. Even though the NRA now has a minuscule role in the debate. Fear and the resultant paranoia of personal safety continues to sell, sell, sell.

“A lot of people who shouldn’t have guns, who don’t need them, who don’t know how to use them safely … are fearful and trigger happy,” said the president of Global Action on Gun Violence, Jonathan Lowy. “And it’s inevitable that that will lead to tragedies like we’re seeing.”

It goes without saying that as other G-7 countries remove guns from the equation. Nobody in those countries feels any less secure.

[riggerrob 501]

4 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

" ... This month more immigrants will pour into the US  Even though immigrants have proven to be more law abiding than average Americans. ... "

Smart immigrants know that the best way to avoid deportation is to stay out of the county jail. Hence the majority of immigrants quietly go to work, don't beat their wives, drive within the speed limit and avoid petty crime.

[BartsDaddy 3]

42 minutes ago, riggerrob said:

Smart immigrants know that the best way to avoid deportation is to stay out of the county jail. Hence the majority of immigrants quietly go to work, don't beat their wives, drive within the speed limit and avoid petty crime.

and some know to give a false identity and never show up in court. I have known 9 that have told me of doing that.

[BIGUN 1,000]

59 minutes ago, riggerrob said:

Hence the majority of immigrants quietly go to work, don't beat their wives, drive within the speed limit and avoid petty crime.

Hence, the need for a new southern location of an Ellis Island, or two, or three. We need good citizens, but not criminals. 

[JoeWeber 1,866]

On 5/10/2023 at 1:22 PM, BartsDaddy said:

well you probably made more than me. Except on Mothers day or Valentines day those two days made a fortune on roses

I’m pretty sure no one is spending Valentine’s Day in a Supermax from selling flowers, though.

[BartsDaddy 3]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

I’m pretty sure no one is spending Valentine’s Day in a Supermax from selling flowers, though.

no shit flowers are legal to sell, with proper permits of course.

[JoeWeber 1,866]

2 hours ago, BartsDaddy said:

no shit flowers are legal to sell, with proper permits of course.

No shit, you say? I’m guessing you aren’t aware from whence comes Lebanese Blonde hash. Back to Bonfire for you.

[gowlerk 1,610]

27 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

No shit, you say? I’m guessing you aren’t aware from whence comes Lebanese Blonde hash. Back to Bonfire for you.

I don’t think Lebanon has exported that product to here since the civil war in the late 70s. The red was even better, but scarce.

[BartsDaddy 3]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

No shit, you say? I’m guessing you aren’t aware from whence comes Lebanese Blonde hash. Back to Bonfire for you.

And your gueessing just shows how ignorant you are. While your lebanese blonde hash may come from flowers it is not flowers after being processed into hash just like heroin is not poppy flowers. And with the propper permits you can sell a lot of hash now also. But i gues you just have to flap your lips to feel important.

[JoeWeber 1,866]

17 minutes ago, BartsDaddy said:

And your gueessing just shows how ignorant you are. While your lebanese blonde hash may come from flowers it is not flowers after being processed into hash just like heroin is not poppy flowers. And with the propper permits you can sell a lot of hash now also. But i gues you just have to flap your lips to feel important.

Thanks for straightening me out.

[kallend 1,345]

On 5/12/2023 at 1:03 AM, Phil1111 said:

   On 5/11/2023 at 6:43 PM, kallend said:

 As though other countries with far fewer gun deaths don’t also have people who struggle with mental health issues.  What a stupid red herring.

And you replied:

Not necessarily. Fear has been the selling feature in America for more guns in every corner of the debate.Where else in the world do food delivery drivers get shot for knocking on the door?

This month more immigrants will pour into the US  Even though immigrants have proven to be more law abiding than average Americans.They will be used to sell more guns. Even though the NRA now has a minuscule role in the debate. Fear and the resultant paranoia of personal safety continues to sell, sell, sell.

“A lot of people who shouldn’t have guns, who don’t need them, who don’t know how to use them safely … are fearful and trigger happy,” said the president of Global Action on Gun Violence, Jonathan Lowy. “And it’s inevitable that that will lead to tragedies like we’re seeing.”

It goes without saying that as other G-7 countries remove guns from the equation. Nobody in those countries feels any less secure.

Britain has huge numbers of immigrants too.  Just walk down any street in London.

Yet the rate per 100,000 of gun homicides n the UK is a tny fraction of that in the US (about 1%).  In England and Wales in 2021, there were just 31 gun homicides..  In the US there were 20,958

Doe Britain only have 1% of the mental health problems as the US?

Texas has about 3x the rate of homicides as NY state.  Does Texas have 3x the rate of mental illness?  Does living in Texas make you crazier than living in NY?