More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

[GeorgiaDon 290]

10 hours ago, jakee said:

Have you never heard of people being threatened or killed in retaliation for calling the cops? This guy is clearly a psycho and without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight there’s no telling what could have set him off.

 

Wake the fuck up and stop being so naive.

According to a news article, the shooter's wife was friendly with the women he killed.  The shooter had been over to the house at least a few times socially and was friendly.  He even helped to take down some trees.  So, at least not consistently psycho.  Maybe mostly when he had been drinking, as he was on the night of the shooting?  Anyway I think that's all part of the problem with the "mental health" argument.  Most of these murderers are likely to be perfectly normal most of the time, up until the point where something sets them off.  They would be easier to recognize as a threat if they were insane all the time, not just at sporadic intervals.

[JerryBaumchen 971]

Hi folks,

The grim discovery in Oklahoma keeps the U.S. on a torrid pace for mass killings in 2023 and could push the number of people slain in mass killings past 100 for the year.

Woman IDs 4 of 7 Oklahoma bodies as daughter, grandchildren | AP News

Maybe it will stop when there is no one left to kill.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Just saw this:  Police discover 7 bodies at the home of a sex offender on his scheduled court date

Teens Ivy Webster and Brittany Brewer found dead after Oklahoma manhunt : NPR

 

 

Edited May 2 by JerryBaumchen

[riggerrob 557]

Perhaps the USA needs ordinances limiting the hours that you can shoot outside. Write the ordinances similar to hunting regulations that limit shooting between sun-down and sun-rise. These limited hours reduce the number of random "sound" shots and accidental shootings. They also discourage the use of bright lights to stun deer.

Also consider that most municipalities have ordinances that forbid loud noises - outdoors - after "X" o'clock. Gun fire should be treated the same way.

Finally, given the current gun culture in the USA current attitudes are so deeply entrenched that they cannot be changed within the lifetime of the current generation. We are going to have to wait until the current generation of gun owners die off - from natural causes - before you can make fundemental changes.

[normiss 531]

12 minutes ago, riggerrob said:

Perhaps the USA needs ordinances limiting the hours that you can shoot outside. Write the ordinances similar to hunting regulations that limit shooting between sun-down and sun-rise. These limited hours reduce the number of random "sound" shots and accidental shootings. They also discourage the use of bright lights to stun deer.

Also consider that most municipalities have ordinances that forbid loud noises - outdoors - after "X" o'clock. Gun fire should be treated the same way.

Finally, given the current gun culture in the USA current attitudes are so deeply entrenched that they cannot be changed within the lifetime of the current generation. We are going to have to wait until the current generation of gun owners die off - from natural causes - before you can make fundemental changes.

Cleveland, Texas city ordinance:

• Sec. 82-67. - Discharge of firearms and air guns, shooting of other weapons prohibited; exceptions.

   

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  (a)

  It shall be unlawful for any person to discharge a firearm or air gun within the city limits.

  (b)

  It shall be unlawful for any person to shoot a crossbow, bow or such like device, or hurl or throw any missile by the use of a crossbow, bow or such like device within the city limits.

  (c)

  It is a defense to prosecution under this section that:

  (1)

  The person discharged a firearm, air gun, or crossbow in the lawful defense or protection of a person or property in accordance with state law;

  (2)

  The person was a licensed peace officer, licensed security guard, or a member of the United States or state armed forces at the time of the discharge and provided that any such discharge is made in the course and scope of his or her official duties;

  (3)

  The person was a duly appointed animal control officer in the course and scope of his or her official duties and was euthanizing a sick or injured animal or eradicating a predatory animal;

  (4)

  The person used blank cartridges for a theatrical production, an event sponsored by a military organization, a funeral with military honors, an athletic event, or other ceremonial or commemorative events, provided that the discharge is performed safely and directed away from persons, animals, or structures so as to prevent bodily injury or property damage;

  (5)

  The person discharged an air gun, bow (other than a crossbow) or other like device, or hurled or threw a missile by the use of a bow or other like device on his or her own property, provided such device is not fired into or onto another person's property without the other owner's consent;

  (6)

  The person was at a shooting range operated by the United States government, or the State of Texas, or political subdivision of the state, or which is privately operated as authorized or permitted by the city;

  (7)

  The person was participating in an amusement arcade or paintball amusement facility authorized or permitted by the city;

  (8)

  The person was using any mechanism designed to propel nails, bolts, screws, rivets, or other fasteners, so long as such mechanism was being used for its intended purpose; or

  (9)

  The person discharged a shotgun or air gun on his or her own property for the purpose of protecting livestock from predatory animals, but only in those cases where the property is at least one acre in size and the discharge is done in a manner not reasonably expected to cause a projectile to enter into or onto another person's property.

  ( Ord. No. 1167, § 1, 7-17-2018 )

[billeisele 119]

On 4/29/2023 at 6:05 PM, kallend said:

Texas gun-nut kills 5 neighbors for complaining about noise from his shooting practice with his AR-15

The "TX gun-nut" was an illegal alien that had been deported 4 times. Clearly he was not a law abiding citizen.

Wonder how he was repeatedly able to get back into the US and why was he not imprisoned?

[lippy 569]

19 minutes ago, billeisele said:

Wonder how he was repeatedly able to get back into the US and why was he not imprisoned?

Would you prefer he be deported, or imprisoned and live off the taxpayer's dime?  How do you recommend such cases be handled?  

[Slim King 55]

6 minutes ago, lippy said:

Would you prefer he be deported, or imprisoned and live off the taxpayer's dime?  How do you recommend such cases be handled?  

The answer is simple. Every illegal alien caught lives in solitary confinement in the middle of the desert for 6 months. Then they are deported. If they return the confinement will be 2 years solitary confinement and bread and water. If they get caught a third time they are given to the Biden family's "Adrenochrome" plant for special treatment.

[Phil1111 826]

8 hours ago, riggerrob said:

Perhaps the USA needs ordinances limiting the hours that you can shoot outside. Write the ordinances similar to hunting regulations that limit shooting between sun-down and sun-rise. These limited hours reduce the number of random "sound" shots and accidental shootings. They also discourage the use of bright lights to stun deer.

Also consider that most municipalities have ordinances that forbid loud noises - outdoors - after "X" o'clock. Gun fire should be treated the same way.

Finally, given the current gun culture in the USA current attitudes are so deeply entrenched that they cannot be changed within the lifetime of the current generation. We are going to have to wait until the current generation of gun owners die off - from natural causes - before you can make fundemental changes.

In TX if you own 10 acres you can step outside and let it rip.Unrestricted as long as projectiles don't exit your property. AFAIK no country can restrict your rights to shoot. .300 magnum let it fly! Where the latest shooting occurred it was an area of 1/4 acre lots. If a county doesn't restrict shooting you can still let it rip as long as a projectile doesn't exit your property.

But according to a local resident(of the shooting) that's widely ignored. Because according to him property owners will put tin cans on the property line fence and still shoot at them. Getting police to take action for such complaints is very difficult.

The last time there was an attempt to restrict shooting in some area of Texas of smaller lots.i.e. under 10 acres. There was a huge outcry and it went nowhere.

Since they just captured the shooter responsible for the latest outrage. Texas prisons will be his home at taxpayers expense for the next while.

Just one more cost for the second amendment.

Edited May 3 by Phil1111

[BIGUN 1,026]

9 hours ago, Slim King said:

The answer is simple. Every illegal alien caught lives in solitary confinement in the middle of the desert for 6 months. Then they are deported. If they return the confinement will be 2 years solitary confinement and bread and water.

So, you'd rather we treat POWs who've killed American soldiers better than illegal immigrants? What in the holy fuck is wrong with you. 

[JoeWeber 2,063]

11 hours ago, billeisele said:

The "TX gun-nut" was an illegal alien that had been deported 4 times. Clearly he was not a law abiding citizen.

Wonder how he was repeatedly able to get back into the US and why was he not imprisoned?

He didn’t get back into the US repeatedly. He got back into Texas.

[normiss 531]

11 hours ago, lippy said:

Would you prefer he be deported, or imprisoned and live off the taxpayer's dime?  How do you recommend such cases be handled?  

Why do we not ask this question to Congress????

It's THEIR flipping job!

They would rather continue to use this as a dividing spear of fear than actually work to resolve it.

It seems to be working as desired.

[riggerrob 557]

3 hours ago, normiss said:

Why do we not ask this question to Congress????

It's THEIR flipping job!

They would rather continue to use this as a dividing spear of fear than actually work to resolve it.

It seems to be working as desired.

One of the problems with sending illegal immigrants back to their countries of origin is that they are often soon released because their home country is too poor to house/imprison them.

Catch-and-release is the norm in many countries.

[SkyDekker 995]

20 minutes ago, riggerrob said:

One of the problems with sending illegal immigrants back to their countries of origin is that they are often soon released because their home country is too poor to house/imprison them.

Catch-and-release is the norm in many countries.

Not sure why a departed person would necessarily have to be detained in their home country?

[normiss 531]

7 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Not sure why a departed person would necessarily have to be detained in their home country?

And immigration isn't illegal. It's accepted and supported worldwide, with a few obvious exceptions.

What is so bad in the countries people are running away from that they are willing to risk their lives and the lives of their families to flee?

What happened to international aid and support to help reduce this?

 

Although I feel this has VERY little to do with America's mass shooting problem.

Today's first mass shooting to make news that I've heard, Atlanta.

What number of dead do we have to achieve before we actually do something???

Does it have to affect politicians directly?

 

This. Is. Fucking. Lunacy.

 

Yet no one cares. yawn.

Edited May 3 by normiss

[jakee 1,094]

1 hour ago, riggerrob said:

One of the problems with sending illegal immigrants back to their countries of origin is that they are often soon released because their home country is too poor to house/imprison them.

Umm, too poor or just don't? If an American was deported from another country the US government wouldn't give them free housing or send them to prison just because of that. Hell, it's one of the only things the US government won't send you to prison for.

[timski 79]

On 5/2/2023 at 2:46 PM, riggerrob said:

Perhaps the USA needs ordinances limiting the hours that you can shoot outside. Write the ordinances similar to hunting regulations that limit shooting between sun-down and sun-rise. These limited hours reduce the number of random "sound" shots and accidental shootings. They also discourage the use of bright lights to stun deer.

Also consider that most municipalities have ordinances that forbid loud noises - outdoors - after "X" o'clock. Gun fire should be treated the same way.

Finally, given the current gun culture in the USA current attitudes are so deeply entrenched that they cannot be changed within the lifetime of the current generation. We are going to have to wait until the current generation of gun owners die off - from natural causes - before you can make fundemental changes.

Thanks Rob, Somebody gets it... YOU sir, nailed it. "Current attitudes". "Our" problem is uniquely ours. Go ahead and compare the U.S. to anywhere else, doesn't matter.  

[JoeWeber 2,063]

1 hour ago, timski said:

Thanks Rob, Somebody gets it... YOU sir, nailed it. "Current attitudes". "Our" problem is uniquely ours. Go ahead and compare the U.S. to anywhere else, doesn't matter.  

That’s horseshit; in fact it’s isolationist horseshit. Worse, it’s nonsense, too. How else can you know how you are doing without comparison? If you aren’t comparing yourself honestly, well, then you are just like Trump: a narcissistic fool. No, our problems are best understood through comparison. 

[BIGUN 1,026]

8 hours ago, timski said:

"Our" problem is uniquely ours. Go ahead and compare the U.S. to anywhere else, doesn't matter.  

Make real sure that's a comparison you want to make. 

[jakee 1,094]

11 hours ago, timski said:

Thanks Rob, Somebody gets it... YOU sir, nailed it. "Current attitudes". "Our" problem is uniquely ours. Go ahead and compare the U.S. to anywhere else, doesn't matter.  

Including Israel?

[JerryBaumchen 971]

Hi folks,

Well, a 6 yr old did shoot his teacher:  "Across the country, we have seen an increase in threatening behavior and contraband, including weapons, being brought into schools at all levels,"

A Michigan school district has banned students from carrying backpacks : NPR

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  At least, they are trying.

 

[JoeWeber 2,063]

19 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Well, a 6 yr old did shoot his teacher:  "Across the country, we have seen an increase in threatening behavior and contraband, including weapons, being brought into schools at all levels,"

A Michigan school district has banned students from carrying backpacks : NPR

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  At least, they are trying.

 

Great idea! We can’t ban guns but we can ban holsters. We’ve got them now.

[billvon 2,091]

46 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Well, a 6 yr old did shoot his teacher:  "Across the country, we have seen an increase in threatening behavior and contraband, including weapons, being brought into schools at all levels . . .

So in the US:

It is too harmful to children to teach them sex ed, or tell them there are gay people.  But teaching them to hide under desks to shelter from a gunman who is killing their classmates is just fine!  Active shooter drills are fun!

It would upset children too much to learn about slavery, and teaching them about civil rights is woke indoctrination.  But we can put the Ten Commandments in every classroom; that's different.

Banning guns - or even making guns harder to get - will destroy America.  But banning backpacks?  That's A-OK.  I mean, who needs them?

[BIGUN 1,026]

33 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

We can’t ban guns

 

3 minutes ago, billvon said:

or even making guns harder to get

No court has ruled against one having to fill out an ATF Form 4 to own NFA firearms. Just enact legislation that all weapons need to be an ATF Form 4 event. Tell your congressman - no charge for the consult. 

[normiss 531]

1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Well, a 6 yr old did shoot his teacher:  "Across the country, we have seen an increase in threatening behavior and contraband, including weapons, being brought into schools at all levels,"

A Michigan school district has banned students from carrying backpacks : NPR

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  At least, they are trying.

 

How are kids supposed to protect themselves if they aren't carrying their own weapons?

More guns for kids must be the answer.

[JoeWeber 2,063]

45 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

 

No court has ruled against one having to fill out an ATF Form 4 to own NFA firearms. Just enact legislation that all weapons need to be an ATF Form 4 event. Tell your congressman - no charge for the consult. 

Save for the hidden charge of needing to swill an extra bottle after talking to the lame bastards.