More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

[gowlerk 1,610]

7 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

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Not on my page. You can do what you want on yours.

[gowlerk 1,610]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

Not at all. 

The reason you can not protect children from random events like school shootings is that they are so random. Even if you do put armed guards in the schools you just shift the target either to softer ones or to taking out the guardians first. You know what the root of the problem is.

[wmw999 1,720]

9 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

The reason you can not protect children from random events like school shootings is that they are so random. Even if you do put armed guards in the schools you just shift the target either to softer ones or to taking out the guardians first. You know what the root of the problem is.

He does, and he’s also working to address that. This is an interim, and a big selling point of reducing the number of guns would be tying school protection costs to reduction in gun numbers.

Any more, I’m kind of happy there’s TSA to keep guns out of air carrier cabins

Wendy P. 

[gowlerk 1,610]

1 minute ago, wmw999 said:

He does, and he’s also working to address that.

He is not. Last I heard is that he still considers the Bill of Rights and therefore the 2nd Amendment to be essential parts of the nation. I agree that he is proposing controls that would be helpful if they could be implemented. But they can not. The root problem is the 2nd Amendment. 

[wmw999 1,720]

His proposals are more likely to be implemented than repealing the second amendment. Period.

Wendy P. 

[gowlerk 1,610]

52 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

His proposals are more likely to be implemented than repealing the second amendment. Period.

Wendy P. 

Well, I suppose you have some reason to think that. But the SCOTUS does not agree with you or him. They seem to be taking the Charlton Heston position. Namely "from my cold dead hands". So I have come to the conclusion that both are equally unlikely. The ERA couldn't get passed either. 

[Phil1111 691]

On 4/26/2023 at 1:47 PM, BIGUN said:

Makes no sense. It's called utilizing best practices. You don't have to ship all of the issues that Israel has over here to use those things that work.  

Agree. I agree with most all of your ideas on guns and gun control This latest idea i think you've missed the target on.

On 4/26/2023 at 2:00 PM, Stumpy said:

Yeah and israels best practice includes low rates of private gun ownership and strict controls on what they are used for, as well as social democratic policies to pay for all the guards, walls etc. You don't have to ship their issues, but you do have to ship the rest of the solution.

IMO you can cherry pick the best ideas from Israel. But terrorism, for them is far more an issue than just guns. Armed guards in schools and other frequent targets isn't one solution for America that will work. AFAIK.

On 4/26/2023 at 3:59 PM, JoeWeber said:

As long as we’re fantasizing, who in rural red state America, where we have a problem with gays, genders, books, liberals and Bud Light but not guns, is going to vote more taxes on themselves to pay for a problem that can be addressed with free hopes and prayers?

This is where the rubber meets the road for guns in America. For every person willing to start a compromise like BIGUN. There are two who can't like Brent and wolfriverjoe. Brent who espouses NRA and GOP views. Joe who usually has the practical answers why single responses won't address the whole issue.

Canadian liberals, our current government. has just announced the Canadian left's idea on gun control. They are spending $1 billion to buy up "assault rifles" from gun stores. They will pay up to $6500 per gun. i.e. Sig 550. In order to start the assault weapons ban program.

Instead of selling the guns to willing US buyers. With appropriate ATF permits of course. Instead of giving them to Ukraine. Equally good idea. They will be destroyed. Meanwhile Canadians are waiting up to two years on surgery waiting lists.

Earlier this month "Canada spending $59M on assault rifles, machine guns for Ukraine, Canada is spending $59 million to procure for Ukraine 21,000 assault rifles and machine guns, along with ammunition, from weapons maker Colt Canada," These would be Colt M-4 rifles.

Edited April 28 by Phil1111

[normiss 422]

14 hours ago, gowlerk said:

I can sell you all the Ts and Ps you need. 24.95 USD/1000. PayPal accepted.

Dude. You're not even on TV!

Does it include a small bottle of jesus tears, aka holy water?

[wolfriverjoe 1,094]

6 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

For every person willing to start a compromise like BIGUN. There are two who can't like Brent and wolfriverjoe... Joe who usually has the practical answers why single responses won't address the whole issue.

I'd be willing to consider measures that would ACTUALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen a single proposal that isn't anything more than 'security theater'. 
It's the old 'Do something, do ANYTHING to make us feel safe!!!' 
Even if it doesn't make any difference.

Someone mentioned airlines & the TSA a few posts up (not my sarcastic one).

Remember October 2001?

No toenail clippers, no lapel pins that were miniature guns, no nothing that even looked like it could be a threat. Even if it was totally harmless. Even Bic lighters.
Totally fucking stupid, totally useless, total 'theater'.

Remember also, how many people managed to sneak stuff like box cutters and knives on board? 

Remember the shoe bomber? 
So now everyone has to take off their shoes.

Remember the plot in London to blow up the airliners over the North Pole with binary liquid explosives?
And in the aftermath, liquids were sharply restricted.

I'm somewhat surprised that nobody has attempted to smuggle an explosive device shoved up their butt. 
I don't want to see what the aftermath of that would look like.

I haven't flown commercial airlines in over 20 years. Mostly because I have no reason to, but partly because of the stupidity.

And, back to gun control, as I noted earlier - It's a dangerous issue for politicians to take up.

If the Ds manage to pass restrictive gun laws (which is very unlikely to happen), they'd be in serious danger of getting voted out of office. 
Which would put the Rs back in control.

The Rs taking both houses in 96 (and putting Gingrich in as Speaker) was horrible for the country. I supported it at the time because I was largely a single issue voter. I didn't see the danger the Rs posed to our country and our society. 

Not going to make that mistake again.

[JoeWeber 1,866]

2 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

I'd be willing to consider measures that would ACTUALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen a single proposal that isn't anything more than 'security theater'. 
It's the old 'Do something, do ANYTHING to make us feel safe!!!' 
Even if it doesn't make any difference.

Someone mentioned airlines & the TSA a few posts up (not my sarcastic one).

Remember October 2001?

No toenail clippers, no lapel pins that were miniature guns, no nothing that even looked like it could be a threat. Even if it was totally harmless. Even Bic lighters.
Totally fucking stupid, totally useless, total 'theater'.

Remember also, how many people managed to sneak stuff like box cutters and knives on board? 

Remember the shoe bomber? 
So now everyone has to take off their shoes.

Remember the plot in London to blow up the airliners over the North Pole with binary liquid explosives?
And in the aftermath, liquids were sharply restricted.

I'm somewhat surprised that nobody has attempted to smuggle an explosive device shoved up their butt. 
I don't want to see what the aftermath of that would look like.

I haven't flown commercial airlines in over 20 years. Mostly because I have no reason to, but partly because of the stupidity.

And, back to gun control, as I noted earlier - It's a dangerous issue for politicians to take up.

If the Ds manage to pass restrictive gun laws (which is very unlikely to happen), they'd be in serious danger of getting voted out of office. 
Which would put the Rs back in control.

The Rs taking both houses in 96 (and putting Gingrich in as Speaker) was horrible for the country. I supported it at the time because I was largely a single issue voter. I didn't see the danger the Rs posed to our country and our society. 

Not going to make that mistake again.

You have plenty of reason to fly commercially: that’s how you get to the countries you are fond of discussing here, including making up names for their leaders as if you were familiar. Sorry to tell you but that is stereotypical American even if you do hold a valid passport which I doubt. You aren’t too old, you work and get time off, you need to get out.

[kallend 1,345]

Texas gun-nut kills 5 neighbors for complaining about noise from his shooting practice with his AR-15

[JerryBaumchen 874]

42 minutes ago, kallend said:

Texas gun-nut kills 5 neighbors for complaining about noise from his shooting practice with his AR-15

Hi John,

And, one was an 8-yr old kid.

Complete insanity.

Jerry Baumchen

[timski 68]

36 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi John,

And, one was an 8-yr old kid.

Complete insanity.

Jerry Baumchen

Certainly in NO way defending such an action, but when you have a complaint about someone shooting a firearm, YOU CALL 911,  you don't go knocking on his door... Stupid is as stupid does  ~Gump

See how easily that was avoided. Come on people. If you're going to run into the sound of gun fire, at least get paid to do so.   

[wmw999 1,720]

It’s the kind of neighborhood where the police don’t go “just” for a report of gunfire. Also, the murdered family was from Honduras; not all may have been in the US legally. The shooter also spoke Spanish; they may have decided to try to deal with it neighbor to neighbor. Is that really so unreasonable? It’s easy to say stupid is as stupid does in hindsight, though, isn’t it?

Wendy P. 

[JoeWeber 1,866]

2 hours ago, timski said:

Certainly in NO way defending such an action, but when you have a complaint about someone shooting a firearm, YOU CALL 911,  you don't go knocking on his door... Stupid is as stupid does  ~Gump

See how easily that was avoided. Come on people. If you're going to run into the sound of gun fire, at least get paid to do so.   

Your argument is not just ridiculous but it also lacks an even passing attempt at taking a larger view. The bottom line here is that we now, thanks to folks like you and Brent and the NRA, live in a country where armed speech trump's free speech. Now, when you voice an opinion some open carry moron might kill you and whomever might be nearby over feeling that his second amendment rights were being infringed. This shit is on you guys even though you'll never see it.

[Phil1111 691]

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

It’s the kind of neighborhood where the police don’t go “just” for a report of gunfire. Also, the murdered family was from Honduras; not all may have been in the US legally. The shooter also spoke Spanish; they may have decided to try to deal with it neighbor to neighbor. Is that really so unreasonable? It’s easy to say stupid is as stupid does in hindsight, though, isn’t it?

Wendy P. 

Nailed it. Blaming the victims for what in Texas would be normal, expected and neighborly isn't the answer. Although more well to do White people would likely do the 911.

Just more crazy people with guns. Who in any other country would never get near one.

Edited April 30 by Phil1111

[tonyhays 85]

17 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Just more crazy people with guns

So much for "An armed society is a polite society"

[kallend 1,345]

8 hours ago, timski said:

Certainly in NO way defending such an action, but when you have a complaint about someone shooting a firearm, YOU CALL 911,  you don't go knocking on his door... Stupid is as stupid does  ~Gump

See how easily that was avoided. Come on people. If you're going to run into the sound of gun fire, at least get paid to do so.   

More excuses - blame the victim.

 

YOU are a symptom of the problem.

[Phil1111 691]

10 hours ago, tonyhays said:

So much for "An armed society is a polite society"

An armed society without the utmost respect for everyone else. Is one that slides into anarchy. Its why preppers have the emphasis on guns and ammo.Their belief and a dark human instinct. That the rule of the jungle is but a gun away. At least as far as that gun can shoot. As long as the ammunition lasts.

[JoeWeber 1,866]

6 hours ago, kallend said:

More excuses - blame the victim.

 

YOU are a symptom of the problem.

You’re probably right that he is a symptom, too, but I think it’s fairer to state that folks who think like him are the problem. They vote, buy stupid and unneeded firearms providing support and succor to a predatory industry, give money to the pandering demagogues who dutifully promise only more guns and easier access for all who so desire, and sit on their couches watching Fox type news convinced that only thoughts and prayers or more guns are viable reactions. To my mind that adds up to them being the actual problem.

[jakee 981]

14 hours ago, timski said:

Certainly in NO way defending such an action, but when you have a complaint about someone shooting a firearm, YOU CALL 911,  you don't go knocking on his door... Stupid is as stupid does  ~Gump

See how easily that was avoided. Come on people. If you're going to run into the sound of gun fire, at least get paid to do so.   

WTF?

Somehow I’d imagine if he’d called 911 and the psycho had later come round and shot him in revenge you’d be saying the same thing the other way around. 
 

“In NO way defending his actions but what happened to just talking to your neighbours instead of escalating a single noise complaint to the cops and aggravating everyone?

See how easily that was avoided?”

[timski 68]

23 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Your argument is not just ridiculous but it also lacks an even passing attempt at taking a larger view. The bottom line here is that we now, thanks to folks like you and Brent and the NRA, live in a country where armed speech trump's free speech. Now, when you voice an opinion some open carry moron might kill you and whomever might be nearby over feeling that his second amendment rights were being infringed. This shit is on you guys even though you'll never see it.

Keep reaching for straws... I like how all of a sudden I'm lumped in with Brent now!!! lol. 

[timski 68]

11 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

You’re probably right that he is a symptom, too, but I think it’s fairer to state that folks who think like him are the problem. They vote, buy stupid and unneeded firearms providing support and succor to a predatory industry, give money to the pandering demagogues who dutifully promise only more guns and easier access for all who so desire, and sit on their couches watching Fox type news convinced that only thoughts and prayers or more guns are viable reactions. To my mind that adds up to them being the actual problem.

I get that you only know me from what I type here. You couldn't be further from who I truly am... Not that I'm here to make friends or sell myself. I'm here because I'm a skydiver, with time to burn and opinions...

[wmw999 1,720]

I’d be interested in your answer to what Jakee or I said in response to your comment

Wendy P. 

[billvon 1,945]

On 4/29/2023 at 4:29 PM, timski said:

Certainly in NO way defending such an action, but when you have a complaint about someone shooting a firearm, YOU CALL 911,  you don't go knocking on his door... Stupid is as stupid does  ~Gump

See how easily that was avoided. Come on people. If you're going to run into the sound of gun fire, at least get paid to do so.   

"Certainly in NQ way defending such an action, but when you don't want to be raped, you DON'T WEAR that kind of clothing.  Stupid is as stupid does.  See how easily that was avoided?  Come on, people, if you're going to advertise that you want to have sex, at least get paid for it."

Not much difference.