JoeWeber 2,265 #2776 May 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, timski said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gun-control-guns-are-not-the-problem/ar-AA1aPr2w?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=32540c6e571148efa8a168a581d9001a&ei=28 Hey Brent, check this out!!! Apparently we flock together... First: guns do not kill people….. …so I need to make a few points that even a Democrat trying to take your guns can understand…. And you want us to believe what about you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timski 80 #2777 May 7, 2023 1 minute ago, JoeWeber said: And you want us to believe what about you? I'm the King of bongo baby, I'm the King of bongo... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #2778 May 7, 2023 4 hours ago, timski said: I'm the King of bongo baby, I'm the King of bongo... Mass killings are amusing, eh? You ARE the problem. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #2779 May 7, 2023 I see Ted Cruz (who has received neary $1/2Million from firearms organizations) once again offered thoughts and prayers to the victims in Allen, TX. You'd think after the total failure of his previous offerings of the same stuff that he would have learned how useless that is. Quote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 896 #2780 May 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, kallend said: I see Ted Cruz (who has received neary $1/2Million from firearms organizations) once again offered thoughts and prayers to the victims in Allen, TX. You'd think after the total failure of his previous offerings of the same stuff that he would have learned how useless that is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #2781 May 7, 2023 And Rep. Keith Self (R) in whose district Allen, TX, lies, also offered prayers but opposed any action. Government of the people, by the lobbyists, for the gun industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,356 #2782 May 7, 2023 I saw a story this morning about a father who opened fire on a 16 year old kid at a crowded Texas prom party and killed him. And the article suggested that the police were not pursuing charges against him since the other person drew first. Which is amazing - that opening fire at a crowded party full of teens is perfectly fine as long as they felt threatened. So when I got home this afternoon I went to look up "Texas shooting." And the first thing that popped up was the more recent mass murder at a Texas mall. So I tried "Texas shooting prom." That search returned a shooting last week at a Texas prom. Finally I had to do "Texas prom shooting 16 year old" to find this particular shooting. There are so many shootings in Texas nowadays that it's hard to find any specific one. I have to wonder if Texas republicans are even bothering with "thoughts and prayers" any more; it is literally an every day thing now. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,265 #2783 May 8, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, billvon said: I saw a story this morning about a father who opened fire on a 16 year old kid at a crowded Texas prom party and killed him. And the article suggested that the police were not pursuing charges against him since the other person drew first. Which is amazing - that opening fire at a crowded party full of teens is perfectly fine as long as they felt threatened. So when I got home this afternoon I went to look up "Texas shooting." And the first thing that popped up was the more recent mass murder at a Texas mall. So I tried "Texas shooting prom." That search returned a shooting last week at a Texas prom. Finally I had to do "Texas shooting 16 year old" to find this particular shooting. There are so many shootings in Texas nowadays that it's hard to find any specific one. I have to wonder if Texas republicans are even bothering with "thoughts and prayers" any more; it is literally an every day thing now. So, and I know the Thoughts and Prayers crowd will be less than receptive, but I’m lately seeing our current situation with our gun laws, and the superior freedoms owned by American gun lovers, as nothing short of oppression. We are oppressed from speaking freely not only in the public square but from even discussing neighborhood issues with the guy next door. Any public shopping venue could be our last time fetching groceries and any history class could be our child’s last. Oppression from enjoying our freedoms by prospect of being summarily executed in a public place it seems is the true, and sadly the latest reality and legacy, of the American experiment. Edited May 8, 2023 by JoeWeber 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #2784 May 8, 2023 47 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: So, and I know the Thoughts and Prayers crowd will be less than receptive, but I’m lately seeing our current situation with our gun laws, and the superior freedoms owned by American gun lovers, as nothing short of oppression. We are oppressed from speaking freely not only in the public square but from even discussing neighborhood issues with the guy next door. Any public shopping venue could be our last time fetching groceries and any history class could be our child’s last. Oppression from enjoying our freedoms by prospect of being summarily executed in a public place it seems is the true, and sadly the latest reality and legacy, of the American experiment. So we have a Supreme Court ‘justice’ who is not only incompetent but also clearly corrupt. And what does the system do about him? SFA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 896 #2785 May 8, 2023 Evidently there is a new undiscovered mental health crisis in Texas. Governor Abbott is going all out to find out WTF is going on. Is it the water, the air, the lack of church attendance? A year ago after the Uvalde shooting "Gov. Greg Abbott said Wednesday that the Uvalde school shooter had a "mental health challenge" and the state needed to "do a better job with mental health" — yet in April he slashed $211 million from the department that oversees mental health programs." No word yet on how the "challenge" became a "crisis". Perhaps bigger cuts to mental health spending will crush the crisis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,611 #2786 May 9, 2023 8 hours ago, Phil1111 said: Evidently there is a new undiscovered mental health crisis in Texas. Governor Abbott is going all out to find out WTF is going on. Is it the water, the air, the lack of church attendance? A year ago after the Uvalde shooting "Gov. Greg Abbott said Wednesday that the Uvalde school shooter had a "mental health challenge" and the state needed to "do a better job with mental health" — yet in April he slashed $211 million from the department that oversees mental health programs." No word yet on how the "challenge" became a "crisis". Perhaps bigger cuts to mental health spending will crush the crisis. Perhaps it's due to the excessive number of guns easily available to anyone in TX. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 896 #2787 May 9, 2023 7 hours ago, kallend said: Perhaps it's due to the excessive number of guns easily available to anyone in TX. So Washington state has become the 10th state to ban the sale of assault weapons. Obviously its going to the USSC. Where its most likely to be struck down. Gun restriction after restriction are likely to be struck down by the USSC. Then what? Given the difficulty of making small changes to gun laws. The chances of constitutional amendments are almost zero. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,265 #2788 May 9, 2023 Excellent. Now some jackass in Louisiana shot blindly at some kids playing hide and seek and hit a 14 year old girl in the back of the head, non life threatening apparently. Shadows scared him into self protection mode. Ridiculous. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,031 #2789 May 9, 2023 17 hours ago, Phil1111 said: yet in April he slashed $211 million from the department that oversees mental health programs." Perhaps increasing the prison budget is the goal. https://scholarship.law.columbia.edu/faculty_scholarship/2614/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,889 #2790 May 9, 2023 45 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: Shadows scared him into self protection mode. Ridiculous. Good thing he was ready with his killing machine handy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #2791 May 9, 2023 2 hours ago, gowlerk said: Good thing he was ready with his killing machine handy. Excessive paranoia is a mental health problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 615 #2792 May 9, 2023 4 hours ago, gowlerk said: Good thing he was ready with his killing machine handy. She clearly needs to work on her hide and seek skills. /s 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 336 #2793 May 9, 2023 2 hours ago, riggerrob said: Excessive paranoia is a mental health problem. Yes it is. Where does that get us? How many paranoid people are likely to see medical care for their paranoia? As a ball-park estimate, I would say none. If you are paranoid, are you going to trust a doctor, or anyone, who tells you you have a problem? OK, but maybe family, friends, or coworkers will make the mentally ill person get treatment? In the USA that cannot be done. You can't force anyone to get treatment against their will, unless you are willing to sign an affidavit that the person is an immediate danger to themselves or others. That affidavit requires proof that the subject did or said something that establishes that there is no alternative besides incarceration in a mental hospital to keep them from killing themselves or others. Now they are at the tender mercies of the judicial system, and are certain to suffer lifelong problems with employment, finding housing, etc. because they now have involuntary commitment to a mental facility on their record. Very few people are willing to do that to a family member, close friend, or coworker. I found this out from personal experience when I had an employee who showed all the symptoms of being a paranoid schizophrenic, They were not in any way violent, just the kind of person who took all the batteries out of smoke detectors in their apartment because they were certain they were cameras and microphones. I felt badly for them because their illness was messing up their life, they had no friends or romantic partners because people were scared away as soon as the paranoia came out. But as an employer/friend there was nothing I could do except talk to them, which ruined our relationship. Because paranoia. The mental health issue is real, but a distraction at the same time. No-one is kept from buying guns due to mental illness until they commit a violent crime, by which time you already have victims. The alternative is to force people to undergo diagnosis and treatment against their will. In what way is that to be preferred over background checks, waiting periods, age restrictions (21) before being able to buy military type weapons, or restrictions on magazine capacity? As it is we have the worse of all combinations: anybody (even paranoid, excessively angry, or delusional people) can buy whatever they want in the way of guns, and nobody can force them into treatment until they kill a bunch of people. Yay!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,356 #2794 May 9, 2023 Twice this week, and both in Texas, mothers died covering their one surviving child from the armed man who had just murdered her other child in front of her. But let's hear again how the real threat to kids in the US is drag queens. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,101 #2795 May 9, 2023 On 5/6/2023 at 6:27 AM, JoeWeber said: Are you referring to a certain government of the people, by the people, for the people? Uhuh, but "people' includes "corporations" in that sentence and hence not equivalent to the "people" Kallend was referring to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,265 #2796 May 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Uhuh, but "people' includes "corporations" in that sentence and hence not equivalent to the "people" Kallend was referring to. Call me old fashioned but I’m sticking with Lincoln’s definition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 896 #2797 May 9, 2023 1 hour ago, billvon said: Twice this week, and both in Texas, mothers died covering their one surviving child from the armed man who had just murdered her other child in front of her. But let's hear again how the real threat to kids in the US is drag queens. Meanwhile in Florida. A state not unfamiliar with school shootings. Attacks on bars frequented by LGBTQ people. Cleansing schoolbooks is on the agenda. "An elementary school textbook no longer includes “home support” guidance on how to talk about the national anthem, which had included advice that parents could “use this as an opportunity to talk about why some citizens are choosing to “take a knee” to protest police brutality and racism.” Florida officials said that content was not age-appropriate. A text on different types of economies was edited to take out a description of socialism as keeping things “nice and even” and potentially promoting greater equality. The description was flagged as inaccurate, and mention of the term “socialism” was removed entirely." "Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Wednesday backed an effort to lower the statewide age requirement to purchase a rifle, calling a current law that bars 18-year-olds from buying firearms "unconstitutional." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,356 #2798 May 10, 2023 5 hours ago, Phil1111 said: "Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Wednesday backed an effort to lower the statewide age requirement to purchase a rifle, calling a current law that bars 18-year-olds from buying firearms "unconstitutional." Well, we now know that conservatives consider 2 years old to be a little too late to get that first gun. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 4 #2799 May 10, 2023 12 hours ago, billvon said: Well, we now know that conservatives consider 2 years old to be a little too late to get that first gun. Well I bought my first gun at 12. I still have it a 30-30 Marlin bought with money earned standing on street corners selling flowers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,889 #2800 May 10, 2023 1 hour ago, BartsDaddy said: Well I bought my first gun at 12. I still have it a 30-30 Marlin bought with money earned standing on street corners selling flowers. We got our .22 lever actions from the proceeds of selling grams of Lebanese blonde. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites