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More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

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15 hours ago, timski said:

So plain, so clear and yet we simply choose NOT to provide that level of protection... Troubling, isn't it?

Keeping kids out of school during the pandemic is bad for them, but sending them to armed, gated and fenced education camps is really going to let them flourish......

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23 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

but sending them to armed, gated and fenced education camps is really going to let them flourish......

Israel. Doctors in every household.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0119.htm

They're never going to flourish if they're dead.  

[We can't get off our asses enough to write our legislature and the legislature won't get off their asses to write any formative gun bills]

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1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

That doesn't contradict what lippy wrote. You can do something legally and still get bankrupted or ruined in court.

I find it quite interesting to see middle aged white men painfully learn how the criminal justice system actually works.

Also a bit saddened that Trump was allowed to avoid some of those experiences/lessons during his arrest and arraignment.

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3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Israel. Doctors in every household.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0119.htm

They're never going to flourish if they're dead.  

[We can't get off our asses enough to write our legislature and the legislature won't get off their asses to write any formative gun bills]

Feel free to continue to use israel as an example.

Don't forget you also need to implement their level of gun control for the same results.

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The comparison to Israel simply isn't that valid to me. Israel is mired in long term conflict with their neighbours. In the US you are talking about this to protect your kids from yourself. It will not be perceived the same way and will not be accepted the same way.

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17 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

In the US you are talking about this to protect your kids from yourself. It will not be perceived the same way and will not be accepted the same way.

If it _stops/minimizes/creates a barrier_ to the school shootings; I really don't care about the perception. Many schools already have metal detectors, some have tall iron fences, especially in inner city schools. Some have their own police departments with roving campus police. The discussion would be about stitching it all together - for all schools. I have a hard time believing that we can be the "world's policeman" but not protect our own kids.    

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On 4/24/2023 at 11:40 AM, SkyDekker said:

Keeping kids out of school during the pandemic is bad for them, but sending them to armed, gated and fenced education camps is really going to let them flourish......

YES! But comparing the U.S. to Israel is a far fetch. Then again, we have much to learn from such a place! I mean, they took desert and made it flourish. But I digress, who got dead today???   

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14 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Much indeed. They haven't had a school shooting since '72 or '74?

Do you think having a population that doesn't want to murder their own children might help? I mean why the fixation on Israel when many countries around the globe really haven't had school shootings.

Is it because it is the "solution" that just lets there be more guns?

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1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

Do you think having a population that doesn't want to murder their own children might help? I mean why the fixation on Israel when many countries around the globe really haven't had school shootings.

Is it because it is the "solution" that just lets there be more guns?

You know my position regarding 2A and solutions I've put forth. Given the current climate; I point to Israel as a model for a workaround. 

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1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

You know my position regarding 2A and solutions I've put forth. Given the current climate; I point to Israel as a model for a workaround. 

And I repeat, you can't cherry pick part of Israel's solution without everything else as well.

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53 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

you can't cherry pick part of Israel's solution without everything else as well.

Makes no sense. It's called utilizing best practices. You don't have to ship all of the issues that Israel has over here to use those things that work.  

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6 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Makes no sense. It's called utilizing best practices. You don't have to ship all of the issues that Israel has over here to use those things that work.  

Yeah and israels best practice includes low rates of private gun ownership and strict controls on what they are used for, as well as social democratic policies to pay for all the guards, walls etc. You don't have to ship their issues, but you do have to ship the rest of the solution.

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2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Makes no sense. It's called utilizing best practices. You don't have to ship all of the issues that Israel has over here to use those things that work.  

As long as we’re fantasizing, who in rural red state America, where we have a problem with gays, genders, books, liberals and Bud Light but not guns, is going to vote more taxes on themselves to pay for a problem that can be addressed with free hopes and prayers?

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3 hours ago, Stumpy said:

And I repeat, you can't cherry pick part of Israel's solution without everything else as well.

I think in general you can.  I mean, the reason that the US works as well as it does is that we cherrypicked from English society, several treatises on governance, socialism, communism, religion, representative government, pure democracy and the rule of law.

Is the US socialist?  No, but the roads are.
Is the US capitalist?  Usually - but see above.
Is the US a pure democracy?  Usually not, but sometimes.

Etc.

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1 hour ago, billvon said:

I think in general you can.

In general, sure. We don't need the daily fear of terrorism or forced conscription of israelis.

In gun control, not so much.

There's a number of other countries that haven't had school shootings in years/ decades. Want to guess what the common factor with israel is? (hint - its not the walls and armed guards.)

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3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Not really. 

I am to where I think we should lock down schools, surround them with high cinder block fences topped with razor wire, put armed guards and metal detectors at every entrance, and strip search every kid on arrival. Let’s make obvious what a damn farce the gun laws and culture are in America. Same at every grocery store, concert, and ball game, and especially so at car tracks. Maybe inconveniencing everyone with disrupted personal freedoms and huge tax bills at the sacrifice or more freedom and valuable services will get the point across. 

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