SkyDekker 1,094 #726 August 13, 2022 Seems the latest excuse is that the documents the FBI planted were declassified automatically when Trump took them with him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 289 #727 August 13, 2022 3 hours ago, SkyDekker said: Seems the latest excuse is that the documents the FBI planted were declassified automatically when Trump took them with him. Unfortunately for Trump, documents do not have to be classified for him to run afoul of the law. For some of those laws, the documents don't even have to be defense related. He can get: * Three years in prison (and cannot hold Federal office for life) for concealment, mutilation and/or removal of government documents. * Up to twenty years for concealing records to obstruct an investigation, which he did by refusing to give back the documents when asked, again refusing after meeting with officials at Mar a Largo, and then ignoring the subpoena of the documents. * Possibly espionage, if the documents (classified or not) related to defence. Gathering, transmitting or losing national defence documents is illegal, and is 10 year Federal felony. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,325 #728 August 14, 2022 20 hours ago, SkyDekker said: Seems the latest excuse is that the documents the FBI planted were declassified automatically when Trump took them with him. It doesn't work that way. Pure and simple, while the president can unilaterally 'declassify' certain things, he can't do it with everything. And 'nuke stuff' isn't on the list of what he can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,358 #729 August 14, 2022 22 hours ago, SkyDekker said: Seems the latest excuse is that the documents the FBI planted were declassified automatically when Trump took them with him. People are saying that documents were declassified automatically as they fell past the rim of the toilet bowl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,256 #730 August 14, 2022 2 hours ago, ryoder said: People are saying that documents were declassified automatically as they fell past the rim of the toilet bowl. I need some help here. Armed Trump supporters are outside the Phoenix FBI office protesting. They're saying: "We're here in support of Trump, for what happened to him, the unlawful search with the FBI at his Mar-a-Lago home," "We are sick and tired of this tyrannical government called the Biden regime. We will not stand by and we will not stand down. "We're gonna take the fight to the FBI if need be." Is this the correct thread or should this information be in the Second Amendment thread? What about the President Potty thread or the FBI Excuses thread? Perhaps we should just combine them all and start a Future of America Thread in Bonfire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,094 #731 August 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, JoeWeber said: I need some help here. Armed Trump supporters are outside the Phoenix FBI office protesting. They're saying: "We're here in support of Trump, for what happened to him, the unlawful search with the FBI at his Mar-a-Lago home," "We are sick and tired of this tyrannical government called the Biden regime. We will not stand by and we will not stand down. "We're gonna take the fight to the FBI if need be." Is this the correct thread or should this information be in the Second Amendment thread? What about the President Potty thread or the FBI Excuses thread? Perhaps we should just combine them all and start a Future of America Thread in Bonfire. Started that thread a long time ago, titled along the line of The US is a Banana Republic. People got very upset. edited to add: it wasn’t in Bonfire though. Edited August 14, 2022 by SkyDekker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,256 #732 August 14, 2022 1 minute ago, SkyDekker said: Started that thread a long time ago, titled along the line of The US is a Banana Republic. People got very upset. edited to add: it wasn’t in Bonfire though. Yes. As you'll no doubt recall that roused my ire in particular to the point where I felt personal confrontation was required. Of course, sometime later I was forced admit my error and concede the point, just to get that out of the way. So which thread should we use? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,094 #733 August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, JoeWeber said: Yes. As you'll no doubt recall that roused my ire in particular to the point where I felt personal confrontation was required. Of course, sometime later I was forced admit my error and concede the point, just to get that out of the way. So which thread should we use? I'd say let bygones be bygones and start a brand new Future of the USA thread as you suggested... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 891 #734 August 14, 2022 2 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Yes. As you'll no doubt recall that roused my ire in particular to the point where I felt personal confrontation was required. Of course, sometime later I was forced admit my error and concede the point, just to get that out of the way. So which thread should we use? A forest fire consumes everything. Including banana groves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,094 #735 August 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: A forest fire consumes everything. Including banana groves. Not so quick..... https://coolhunting.com/food-drink/banana-trees-could-protect-california-cities-from-wildfires/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,358 #736 August 15, 2022 Federal judge must explain the bloody obvious to Lindsey Graham: Bloomberg: Lindsey Graham Must Testify in Georgia Election Case, Judge Rules Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,603 #737 August 15, 2022 4 hours ago, ryoder said: Federal judge must explain the bloody obvious to Lindsey Graham: Bloomberg: Lindsey Graham Must Testify in Georgia Election Case, Judge Rules You mean - he's not above the law? Oh the humanity! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,358 #738 August 15, 2022 (edited) Couldn't happen to a nicer guy: ABC News: Rudy Giuliani now 'target' of Georgia criminal probe into effort to overturn 2020 election: Sources Edited August 15, 2022 by ryoder 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,037 #739 August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, ryoder said: Couldn't happen to a nicer guy: ABC News: Rudy Giuliani now 'target' of Georgia criminal probe into effort to overturn 2020 election: Sources Hi Robert, Nor, a more deserving guy. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,325 #740 August 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Robert, Nor, a more deserving guy. Jerry Baumchen Gotta love how the fake 'electors' are also targets of the investigation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,358 #741 August 15, 2022 Politico: Justice Department subpoenas former Trump White House lawyer Eric Herschmann Considering his candid testimony before the Jan 6 Committee, I would expect him to be quite cooperative. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,256 #742 August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, ryoder said: Politico: Justice Department subpoenas former Trump White House lawyer Eric Herschmann Considering his candid testimony before the Jan 6 Committee, I would expect him to be quite cooperative. Garland is not screwing around. DOJ filed today to keep the supporting affidavit under wraps. The filing won't read well to Trump or his lawyers. doj-filing.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 891 #743 August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, JoeWeber said: Garland is not screwing around. DOJ filed today to keep the supporting affidavit under wraps. The filing won't read well to Trump or his lawyers. doj-filing.pdf 146.22 kB · 3 downloads trump can read? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,603 #744 August 16, 2022 8/16/22. By Tom Winter, Jonathan Dienst, Adam Reiss and Ryan J. Reilly Former Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg is expected to plead guilty to criminal charges tied to his indictment by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office in an investigation of former President Donald Trump's businesses, according to two people familiar with the matter and a public court filing. Weisselberg is expected to be sentenced to 5 months in jail as part of that plea which could come as soon as Thursday morning, the two sources said. Other terms of the plea were not immediately disclosed, but the sources said that Weisselberg is expected to cooperate against the Trump Organization itself. There is no indication he will cooperate in any investigation into the former president, however. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,358 #745 August 17, 2022 WaPo: Trump is rushing to hire seasoned lawyers — but he keeps hearing ‘No’ The former president’s current legal team includes a Florida insurance lawyer who’s never had a federal case, a past general counsel for a parking-garage company and a former host at far-right One America News It's hard to believe there aren't top-level attorneys just rushing to defend a client who won't take their advice, nor pay them. My advice: Better Call Saul 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,241 #746 August 17, 2022 40 minutes ago, ryoder said: It's hard to believe there aren't top-level attorneys just rushing to defend a client who won't take their advice, nor pay them. My advice: Better Call Saul You don’t need a criminal lawyer, you need a criminal lawyer! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,037 #747 August 17, 2022 22 hours ago, kallend said: There is no indication he will cooperate in any investigation into the former president, however. Hi John, I'm thinking that they are saying that just to give Weisselberg some cover. When faced with prison, it is always amazing how talkative people become. Jerry Baumchen PS) Rats leaving a sinking ship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,358 #748 August 17, 2022 This confirms some speculation I have been reading since the news broke of his plea deal: NYT: Plea Deal Requires Weisselberg to Testify at Trump Organization Trial Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,037 #749 August 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, ryoder said: This confirms some speculation I have been reading since the news broke of his plea deal: NYT: Plea Deal Requires Weisselberg to Testify at Trump Organization Trial Hi Robert, Looks like he won't be the only one testifying: a lawyer for Jennifer Weisselberg, said the district attorney's office asked to schedule a meeting with Jennifer Weisselberg, the former daughter-in-law of Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg, 'They've indicated to us that she's a key witness for the trial' Jennifer Weisselberg Set to Testify in Trump Organization Trial (businessinsider.com) Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 891 #750 August 20, 2022 On 8/17/2022 at 10:18 AM, jakee said: You don’t need a criminal lawyer, you need a criminal lawyer! So Rudy Giuliani then! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites