gowlerk 1,903 #326 November 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, kallend said: So if the law has no teeth, how exactly will future violations be deterred? Extreme finger wagging, as always. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,391 #327 November 9, 2021 20 minutes ago, kallend said: So if the law has no teeth, how exactly will future violations be deterred? Susan Collins will write a sternly worded letter. If they do it again, she will publicly scowl at them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #328 November 9, 2021 Hi folks, And the losing keeps going on and on and . . . : Former President Donald Trump filed an emergency request to a federal judge late Monday night to prevent the National Archives from sending sensitive records to Jan. 6 committee investigators by Friday. And just after midnight, Judge Tanya Chutkan rejected it Trump makes — and loses — overnight bid to block Jan. 6 investigators - POLITICO Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #329 November 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi folks, And the losing keeps going on and on and . . . : Former President Donald Trump filed an emergency request to a federal judge late Monday night to prevent the National Archives from sending sensitive records to Jan. 6 committee investigators by Friday. And just after midnight, Judge Tanya Chutkan rejected it Trump makes — and loses — overnight bid to block Jan. 6 investigators - POLITICO Jerry Baumchen That ruling means nothing her next ruling is much more important. My guess is she will deny the original request, but issue the stay pending appeal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #330 November 11, 2021 Hi folks, Some update info on the 6 Jan rioters: N.J. man charged in Capitol riot sentenced to harshest prison term yet for Jan. 6 insurrection - oregonlive.com US Capitol rioter who fled to Belarus says he may seek asylum there - CNNPolitics I think, so far, that the gov't is getting them all to plead. It takes a goodly amount of money to present a decent defense; and, little chance of winning. And, if Evan Neumann thinks living in Belarus is better than here; well, good luck with that. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,391 #331 November 11, 2021 43 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi folks, Some update info on the 6 Jan rioters: N.J. man charged in Capitol riot sentenced to harshest prison term yet for Jan. 6 insurrection - oregonlive.com US Capitol rioter who fled to Belarus says he may seek asylum there - CNNPolitics I think, so far, that the gov't is getting them all to plead. It takes a goodly amount of money to present a decent defense; and, little chance of winning. And, if Evan Neumann thinks living in Belarus is better than here; well, good luck with that. Jerry Baumchen And how odd that a Trump supporter would flee to a Russian satellite country . . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #332 November 12, 2021 9 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: I think, so far, that the gov't is getting them all to plead. It takes a goodly amount of money to present a decent defense; and, little chance of winning. My understanding is that something over 30 defendants already have a trial date scheduled, and more all the time. Likely defense in many cases will be that their President ordered the action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,297 #333 November 12, 2021 On 11/9/2021 at 10:35 AM, billvon said: Susan Collins will write a sternly worded letter. If they do it again, she will publicly scowl at them. I've have had it. No more half measures for me. I intend to deplore it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #334 November 12, 2021 9 hours ago, headoverheels said: My understanding is that something over 30 defendants already have a trial date scheduled, and more all the time. Likely defense in many cases will be that their President ordered the action. Then they are likely to spend a lot of time and money finding out that illegal orders are not a defense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #335 November 12, 2021 14 hours ago, headoverheels said: My understanding is that something over 30 defendants already have a trial date scheduled, and more all the time. Likely defense in many cases will be that their President ordered the action. Hi heels, Well, that did not work so well at the Nuremberg trials. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #336 November 12, 2021 14 hours ago, headoverheels said: My understanding is that something over 30 defendants already have a trial date scheduled, and more all the time. Likely defense in many cases will be that their President ordered the action. Something that just occurred to me, reading Jerry's response (which is more or less the same as mine): Can a President give orders to a civilian? He's Commander in Chief of the military, so he can give orders to them and expect them to be obeyed, but does he have any REAL authority over civilians? I don't think so. I mean, he can give orders to his people, and some of them have authority over me (cops, Secret Service, ect), but I don't think I have to obey a direct order from the President. If so, a LOT of those people willing to obey Trump will be rather offended that they have to obey Biden. Or would have had to obey Obama. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #337 November 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said: Something that just occurred to me, reading Jerry's response (which is more or less the same as mine): Can a President give orders to a civilian? He's Commander in Chief of the military, so he can give orders to them and expect them to be obeyed, but does he have any REAL authority over civilians? I don't think so. I mean, he can give orders to his people, and some of them have authority over me (cops, Secret Service, ect), but I don't think I have to obey a direct order from the President. If so, a LOT of those people willing to obey Trump will be rather offended that they have to obey Biden. Or would have had to obey Obama. Imagine for a minute you'd had a lobotomy and became a republican. Either republican or democrat politicians are ordering you to get covid vaccinations. You tune into FOX to make sure you know all the facts. I'm sort of paraphrasing your dilemma. But in the end you're correct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #338 November 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Phil1111 said: Imagine for a minute you'd had a lobotomy and became a republican. Either republican or democrat politicians are ordering you to get covid vaccinations. You tune into FOX to make sure you know all the facts. I'm sort of paraphrasing your dilemma. But in the end you're correct. Hi Phil, Re: Imagine for a minute you'd had a lobotomy and became a republican. Hey, knock it off; I have enough bad dreams as it is. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #339 November 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Phil, Re: Imagine for a minute you'd had a lobotomy and became a republican. Hey, knock it off; I have enough bad dreams as it is. Jerry Baumchen The cold sweat you feel is knowing how close you came and yet knowing you avoided the mental hell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #340 November 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Phil1111 said: Imagine for a minute you'd had a lobotomy and became a republican. Either republican or democrat politicians are ordering you to get covid vaccinations. You tune into FOX to make sure you know all the facts. I'm sort of paraphrasing your dilemma. But in the end you're correct. Ok, I have NO CLUE what I just did. I tried to edit a post and ended up with four of them. I tried to delete them and only edit one and nothing wanted to work the way I thought it should. Oh well. Here goes again: Not my dilemma. I've never been ordered by the President to do anything, either for real or in my delusional imagination. But the question of "can a civilian be ordered to do something by the President, and if that order was legal (this one wouldn't have been), can that be used as justification in court?" is still a question that is in my mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,622 #341 November 12, 2021 Bannon indicted for contempt of Congress. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/stephen-k-bannon-indicted-contempt-congress Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,903 #342 November 12, 2021 32 minutes ago, kallend said: Bannon indicted for contempt of Congress. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/stephen-k-bannon-indicted-contempt-congress It turns out that Merrick Garland is not afraid to proceed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #343 November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, gowlerk said: It turns out that Merrick Garland is not afraid to proceed. Hi Ken, And, let's hope he keeps right on going. I see where Mark Meadows failed to show up today. I think this indictment of Bannon may just getting him to re-think his actions. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,903 #344 November 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Ken, And, let's hope he keeps right on going. I see where Mark Meadows failed to show up today. I think this indictment of Bannon may just getting him to re-think his actions. Jerry Baumchen Mid-terms in one year. They will simply run out the clock and hope for a return to the majority in Congress. And it will almost certainly work. Sad. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,381 #345 November 17, 2021 NYT: Jan. 6 Defendant Known as QAnon Shaman Sentenced to 41 Months That's a shame. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #346 November 17, 2021 54 minutes ago, ryoder said: NYT: Jan. 6 Defendant Known as QAnon Shaman Sentenced to 41 Months That's a shame. Hi Robert, Terrible, absolutely terrible. Think they'll let him wear his horns in the pokey? Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #347 November 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Robert, Terrible, absolutely terrible. Think they'll let him wear his horns in the pokey? Jerry Baumchen He'll probably complain they are not feeding him organic food. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,381 #348 November 17, 2021 FBI raids homes of Mesa County Clerk and Recorder Tina Peters and Lauren Boebert’s former campaign manager Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 256 #349 November 18, 2021 3 hours ago, SkyDekker said: He'll probably complain they are not feeding him organic food. Errrr….. https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-shaman-organic-jail-diet-thanks-judge-2021-11?r=US&IR=T Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #350 November 18, 2021 18 minutes ago, Stumpy said: Errrr….. https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-shaman-organic-jail-diet-thanks-judge-2021-11?r=US&IR=T Yes, yes....that was the "joke". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites