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Phil1111

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40 minutes ago, richravizza said:

Our children shouldn't follow money,money should follow the child.

Tell that to seniors who say "we don't have any children in the schools, we shouldn't pay taxes." Along with the singles who say the same things, and people with kids in private schools.

I understand that schools aren't always turning kids out the way we'd like them to be; they're also getting kids in more and more who need more help than they used to, and who are getting less support from parents who aren't engaged, or don't have time.

My had some good and some bad teachers both in private and public schools.

Wendy P.

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1 hour ago, richravizza said:

Hi Jerry,

 Unionized Public Education has a lot to be desired.That is unless, your fortunate like our Governor and have the cash for private education.A caste system ready made.

Besides the old Russian Institutional schooling model,of a box within a box,within the box is outdated.My point being, Our children shouldn't follow money,money should follow the child.

So we'll have to agree to disagree.

Hi Rich,

I'm OK with that.  However, it does seem as though few people agree with you.

Something to consider there.

Jerry Baumchen

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If I've learned anything in the past two years, it's that a system that doesn't have some sort of coercion, some sort of reward for good behavior and punishment for bad behavior, then it's not going to work.

Far too many people are stupid, selfish and short sighted.

They are more concerned with getting their hair cut than they are about their neighbors dying from a contagious disease.

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6 hours ago, billvon said:

 

 

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Go moral cut throat on her,that's the ticket. I'll agree she was human and a bitch.

Notice your history and knowledge about her has nothing to do with her childhood upbringing and the reasons for her motivation to write.Look deeper than 1926 and you'll get better perspective.

We as Individuals, are the smallest minority of any society.The threat to our sovereign individualism is collectivism.Simply,we must be vigilant or we lose ourself in favor of the group psychology and identity.In any group/collective we are subjected to these forces..The Gov't being the ultimate in collective power, essential in totalitarian society, the basis and reasoning for her work later works.

 A famous conformity experiment developed by Solomon Asch in the 1950s, provides stunning evidence of our willingness to follow the crowd — despite the evidence of our own eyes. Social proof, a powerful force in molding behavior, has become a political tool, amplified by social media, mainstream media and academia. But there's a simple remedy also revealed in the Asch conformity experiments that requires action by only one person — you.

 

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39 minutes ago, richravizza said:

It's called choice,a solution to a socialist system without options. 

You have choice — it costs more, but such is life. Get more money, and all that. 
Public education isn’t to benefit you personally, it’s to benefit society as a whole. Educated youngsters can accomplish more than ignorant ones

Wendy P. 

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1 hour ago, richravizza said:

Go moral cut throat on her,that's the ticket. I'll agree she was human and a bitch.

Then you completely missed the point of what I posted.  No one is responsible to live by your (or even their own stated) moral code.

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We as Individuals, are the smallest minority of any society. The threat to our sovereign individualism is collectivism. Simply,we must be vigilant or we lose ourself in favor of the group psychology and identity.

Agreed with all that.  You have to maintain your identity in the face of (say) the republican party or objectivists (even when you are a literal member of their Collective) or jingoism.

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In any group/collective we are subjected to these forces. The Gov't being the ultimate in collective power, essential in totalitarian society, the basis and reasoning for her work later works.

Yep.  But far too many people then make the unwarranted jump to "since the government represents our collective power, that collective power is therefore inherently evil."  That's a mistake Rand made as well.

 

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On 10/28/2021 at 5:24 AM, Phil1111 said:

Which drives conservation and EV purchase and usage. It sounds like the left is winning.

Perhaps I'll have to move from the right to the left.

 moving left, that requires the idea that high prices are a benefit to the poor and the struggling middle class, can simply adjust.It requires being fearful at night for the fate of the planet, lifting people out of poverty,no so much. Be fearful and vote like your life depends on it, because it does,lol.

 

Jesus says so

 

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19 minutes ago, billvon said:

Then you completely missed the point of what I posted.  No one is responsible to live by your (or even their own stated) moral code.

Agreed with all that.  You have to maintain your identity in the face of (say) the republican party or objectivists (even when you are a literal member of their Collective) or jingoism.

Yep.  But far too many people then make the unwarranted jump to "since the government represents our collective power, that collective power is therefore inherently evil."  That's a mistake Rand made as well.

 

I didn't think I was pushing a morality code,sorry. "each his own."

 Yes that's the lesson, to maintain our individualism, Despite the psychological endless pull of the collective or group of our choosing, to honestly maintain our autonomy, identity, individualism.

"since the government represents our collective power, that collective power is therefore inherently evil." 

In short, it is, potentially, inherently as all men are.Like a corporation with mere mortals at the helm. Government it has an ability to envelope all in unimaginable evil.A quick take of history proves the point. ie germany russia china cambodia ect.

Her history and our use of language is important.

 If she were to live her life,as some think she should had, it would be counterintuitive and destroys the essence of individualism at go,as her philosophy espouses. She would not have fled to America.Instead chosen a cabin alone in Siberia if she lived, to do her life's work and we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

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The thing is that freedom isn’t free. Even if the freedom to, for example, drive a coal roller is available to you, it costs others comfort in the ability to breathe. Not alone, but it contributes, just as each piece of flotsam contributes to the giant trash island in the “endless” Pacific. 
You are free to send your children to other schools; it costs either you (tuition) or others (public education). Is your freedom worth everyone else’s?

Wendy P. 

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6 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Tell that to seniors who say "we don't have any children in the schools, we shouldn't pay taxes."

My Pops and I would disagree, he's be paying for my free education for forty years and will be till the day he dies.We just got our tax bills in and they increased yet again,Not much of a burden for me, other than the slap in the face.My Pops, like most seniors lives on a fixed income, as property tax rises his income doesn't. he sees it as a scheme to tax him out of house and home. Advantageous to the bureaucracy as the new buyer will be paying even more in taxes.A simple moratorium on tax increases for the elderly,would go a long way in this high tax State.

What did we, our community our children get for our tax dollars, nothing.Unless a paid one year vacation for teachers count.

Governor Newsom kids Private school was open, educating, ours not so much. 

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31 minutes ago, richravizza said:

What did we, our community our children get for our tax dollars, nothing.

If you think educating the next generation is "nothing" -  and has no benefits to your local community - we will just have to agree to disagree.

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2 hours ago, ryoder said:

I saw this somewhere recently:

"I don't have kids, but I support my tax dollars going to schools, because I don't want to live among stupid people."

Hi Robert,

Back in the 60's, before I got married, I always voted for school bond measures. *  For that very reason.

Public schools are not perfect.  But, the alternative is worse.

Jerry Baumchen

* I still do.

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Public and private schools both claim to be primarily about education. But they are both actually about indoctrination first and education second. The best private schools exist so the the upper classes can separate their children from the lower classes and teach them that they are better and that more is expected from them. The way our society works we need both of these systems.

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29 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Well darn, that never happens in this forum. Why don’t you try posting something on topic?

OK, here goes.

It takes a number of years after a president has left office before their ranking with past presidents.  Time will tell how Biden stacks up, and also Trump.

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10 minutes ago, Bigfalls said:

OK, here goes.

It takes a number of years after a president has left office before their ranking with past presidents.  Time will tell how Biden stacks up, and also Trump.

Hi Big,

I agree with your comments on ranking; except that I think we all know * that Trump has already gone down as the worst POTUS ever.

Jerry Baumchen

* Well, most of us.

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11 hours ago, Bigfalls said:

I thought this was President Biden critics corner.  It seams to have gotten off topic. 

Don't you worry,if you're getting bored your free to use the Presidential Time Machine. It's  fun and alway free,to start 

Simply Jump to the Left ...

then put your hands on your hips...

Bring your knee inside....  Arch!

So ....Let's do the time warp again. 

 

We've arrived... back to the future.

This is where last weeks posts become today's disappointing news, then tomorrow's tragedy. wanta ride again..?

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8 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Big,

I agree with your comments on ranking; except that I think we all know * that Trump has already gone down as the worst POTUS ever.

Jerry Baumchen

* Well, most of us.

Jerry, I am getting to zero patience with those who comment as if we had multiple candidates opposed to Trump. We did not. We had Biden. Now, we don't have Trump. So for those people: for fucks sake, unless you miss Trump, give it a goddamn rest. 

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On 11/13/2021 at 10:34 PM, ryoder said:

I saw this somewhere recently:

"I don't have kids, but I support my tax dollars going to schools, because I don't want to live among stupid people."

Unfortunately a lot of stupid people don't think that way.  Some of them even post here.

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25 minutes ago, kallend said:

Unfortunately a lot of stupid people don't think that way.  Some of them even post here.

Stupid, selfish & short-sighted.
I made that comment in another thread. It also applies here.

I always remember that today's kids are the ones that will be paying into Social Security when I'm receiving it.
I'd like them to be at least reasonably well educated, so that they can get real jobs.

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53 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Stupid, selfish & short-sighted.
I made that comment in another thread. It also applies here.

I always remember that today's kids are the ones that will be paying into Social Security when I'm receiving it.
I'd like them to be at least reasonably well educated, so that they can get real jobs.

Yes. Because if they don't get real jobs and make some extra money they won't be valuable customers. That alone makes the investment worthwhile.

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