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Phil1111

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1 minute ago, olofscience said:

and sadly your faction does not seem to be in the majority.

True. There are many pulling away from the "Rush Right." But it's time for both [all] parties to start leaning more center. 

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9 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

"However, only 80 miles of new barriers have been built where there were none before - that includes 47 miles of primary wall, and 33 miles of secondary wall built to reinforce the initial barrier. " January 12, 2021

Less than 12 miles a year.

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when you replace what is on the right with what is in the left, it is not a stretch to say it is all new.

1 hour ago, olofscience said:

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1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

Good catch, you are correct.

Both wrong. The whole world has seen the images of the two Ecuadorian sisters age 3 and 5. Dropping into the US over the 'new' 14' border wall. Its nothing but propaganda for the trump base.

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9 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

It was a good answer. Enforcement would be done by the same people doing it now. The Immigration and Naturalization Service. Only they will have a much easier time of it, since their workload would be much less. The no-freebies stuff for illegals would be easy to enforce once Federal laws about them go into place. The only tricky part would be the no-jobs thing, but if you stiffen the penalties greatly, that would be pretty much enforceable. Employers who knew the laws were coming, and had illegals working for them, would encourage (demand) that they take the amnesty offer and GET legal. 

Walls don't work. Eastern European communist satellite countries tried that one. They used barbed wire fences, spotlights, machine guns, and dogs. People still got out. 

I guess my point is that I can see no path to your solution in the USA. We can't even get consensus on basic science issues much less a National ID card. You can talk all day about enforcement of this or that but until you say we'll round them up, hand cuff them and very roughly toss them over the border into another country or jail you're not explaining how the enforcement will go. Until you say we'll toss any employers who don't go along with your honor system in the calaboose, too, and fine them huge money it's just fiction. 

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20 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Please also tell us your enforcement plan . . . .

I have a simpler plan.

Everyone is welcome.  Everyone gets a biometric scan at the border.  No crimes on record?  Come on in.  You can even have an ITIN if you want to work.

If you are not a citizen, you get taxed at the maximum marginal rate.  But you can get most of that money back (at the same rates paid by any worker in the US) at the US embassy at your home country.  Just show up, and if your biometrics match, you get your money back.

And if you do want to apply to become a citizen?  Your record of paying taxes is taken into account, as is your work history.

This gets almost all border crossers coming in through legal checkpoints, and makes hunting down the (fewer) criminals who want to bypass those much easier.

If you don't even want to do that?  Well, you can get around the checkpoints, probably.  But if any employer employs you and you do NOT have an ITIN, then they go to jail for a long time.

 

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11 minutes ago, billvon said:

You can even have an ITIN if you want to work . . . But if any employer employs you and you do NOT have an ITIN,

So, you're not opposed to everyone having an ID.  

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1 minute ago, BIGUN said:

So, you're not opposed to everyone having an ID.  

I can tell you I'm not opposed. Who cares? They already know our locations, can read our encrypted communications, and know what we're buying and when.

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14 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

So, you're not opposed to everyone having an ID.  

Nope.  Everyone has a name now.  And pretty much everyone everywhere has some other ID associated with them - a phone #, an address, a SS#, an email address.  This is just one more.  You don't even need to get it if you don't want to work.

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5 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Those that have opposed an ID for voting. 

I'm not opposed to needing an ID for voting, either. With mail in voting the voter has bags of time to get properly registered and identified. It's when voting is only between a few hours and, after standing in line for hours, you find you left it at home so are unable to vote that is an offense against democracy. Give everyone lot's of time and a system that isn't designed to exclude certain folks and no one should have a bitch. Well, except our right wing friends, as ever.

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36 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Those that have opposed an ID for voting. 

I think you have to have an ITIN to work.  You do not have to CARRY your ITIN to work.

You have to be registered to vote.  You do not have to CARRY your registration to vote.

In fact as time goes on more and more ID will be biometric/password based, and thus even the need to carry things like credit cards will decline.

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The other key point that developed Western countries need to take into account when attempting to reduce immigration is their propensity to interfere in other countries for political or economic reasons. Either we directly interfere by using troops for dubious reasons or we supply arms, ammunition and/or "advisers" to dubious regimes to support them because they're prepared to sell us needed natural resources. If we stop turning, or helping to turn, other people's countries into shitholes then maybe less of their citizens will feel the need to move from their own homes. 

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5 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

I'm not opposed to needing an ID for voting, either. With mail in voting the voter has bags of time to get properly registered and identified.

Agreed.

5 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

It's when voting is only between a few hours and, after standing in line for hours, you find you left it at home so are unable to vote that is an offense against democracy.

It's democracy's fault, you left your ID at home? If I go to the DZ and forgot my pay card; will they let me jump?

5 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Give everyone lot's of time and a system that isn't designed to exclude certain folks and no one should have a bitch.

No argument.

5 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Well, except our right wing friends, as ever.

Well, except you're saying the same thing as the right wing.  

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4 hours ago, billvon said:

I think you have to have an ITIN to work.  You do not have to CARRY your ITIN to work.

One needs a passport and/or DL to get an ITIN and employers require you bring your ITIN or SSN card to work the first day, so they can check your status. 

 

4 hours ago, billvon said:

You do not have to CARRY your registration to vote.

I think that's state dependent - I have to have my card or a government issued ID to vote.  

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3 hours ago, kallend said:

If the state requires an ID to exercise a right, then the state should provide it free.

No argument. Some states have a free or reduction of fee for various reasons. Income, disability, age, etc.  

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One of the problems with ID is that older people, who have never needed it, can have a hard time getting it. Because birth certificates aren’t always easy to get (country people born at home, poor and living in a series of places), and getting ID when you haven’t had it in a long time is a lot harder. I used to volunteer with homeless in Houston, and sometimes I’d bring someone to the “recover ID” charity. It wasn’t easy, and it wasn’t fast. They knew how to do the research — it’s much harder if you’re trying it on your own. 
As time advances, this’ll probably be less of a problem, simply because we’re generally more regimented. But it’s definitely a problem now, and yes, the political movers and shakers know that it’s poor people who are less likely to have ID, and who are more likely to vote liberal  

Wendy P. 

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On 5/4/2021 at 6:48 PM, BIGUN said:

Agreed.

It's democracy's fault, you left your ID at home? If I go to the DZ and forgot my pay card; will they let me jump?

No argument.

Well, except you're saying the same thing as the right wing.  

Yes, I will let you jump. I have no choice. It's either let you jump or risk upsetting my delicate balance of 50% stomach and 50% ulcer as I listen to whatever horse shit story you planned to tell and don't realize I've heard a thousand times.

Yes, I am saying right wing things. In truth, I'm a pretty shitty liberal. In this case, however, I depart when it comes to imposing unnecessary and intentional limits on certain communities.

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On 5/4/2021 at 5:48 PM, BIGUN said:

Agreed.

It's democracy's fault, you left your ID at home? If I go to the DZ and forgot my pay card; will they let me jump?

 

Well, except you're saying the same thing as the right wing.  

When did skydiving become a fundamental right?

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4 hours ago, kallend said:

When did skydiving become a fundamental right?

It's in the skydiver's information manual. 

On that note, have you seen the hoops one has to jump thru to get the new upcoming mandatory Real ID? That's going to be a burden on most; not just the poor.  

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