President Biden, critics corner

[olofscience 420]

But still no answers the question why judging Trump's performance has to exclude the pandemic.

That's like saying about a guy who murdered his family - "well he was a good husband and father if you don't count the murders". Well, no.

[JerryBaumchen 1,046]

7 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

There is generally really only one reason the USA goes into massive borrowing and that is to give more money to rich people.

Capitalism is key. So you use the sentiment created by the pandemic to get massive borrowing and spending approved. Then you set up a system that delivers the majority of these funds to already very rich people. You tell the gullible that it will trickle down. Then when unemployment goes through the roof, you blame it on the pandemic, cause....duh. And the gullible will stand on their box and tell the world how great employment was.....The rich then donate to political party of choice.

Hi Sky,

Re:  You tell the gullible that it will trickle down.

I always find it amazing how short our memories are.  Anyone remember Reagan's TrickleDown Economy?  It's a farce; was then & is now.

Yet the fools continue to believe it.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  David Stockman got sent to the 'outhouse' for telling Reagan it was not working; remember that?

 

 

[brenthutch 383]

58 minutes ago, billvon said:

Actual numbers.  

The pandemic was part of that, of course.  All under Trump.  You can't cite one and ignore the other.

Jobs A+

Economic growth A+

Inflation A+

Energy Independence A+

Border Security B

No New Wars A+

Deficit F (same grade as every president this century)

Supreme Court A+

The pandemic was/is a once in a century black swan event that no large western democracy handled particularly well. Only a fool would base a policy evaluation on a once in a century event.  

[Phil1111 908]

27 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

... Only a fool would base a policy evaluation on a once in a century event.  

“Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”

[brenthutch 383]

Why hasn’t Biden reversed Trump’s China tariffs?

[JoeWeber 2,294]

3 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Why hasn’t Biden reversed Trump’s China tariffs?

As ever binary Brent asks an either/or question. Taking over a Presidency isn't a clean slate start. It's more akin to taking over someones play in a chess game. You don't get to play the opening move.

[wmw999 2,116]

Well, since Trump just set about trying to erase Obama as much as possible, it might be that he doesn't understand that a good president has his staff evaluate what's been done, because just undoing doesn't change where you are -- time and events have still passed.

You can't ever go back to where you were as a country; time, people, technology, relationships have all changed.

Wendy P.

[JoeWeber 2,294]

16 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Well, since Trump just set about trying to erase Obama as much as possible, it might be that he doesn't understand that a good president has his staff evaluate what's been done, because just undoing doesn't change where you are -- time and events have still passed.

You can't ever go back to where you were as a country; time, people, technology, relationships have all changed.

Wendy P.

Sure, that or something else right? In the wake of Trump, writ large is the persistent simple mindedness of the right. Now they want to know where's the unity? Where's the accountability? Where's the bipartisanship? And, my favorite to date, what's up with Jill Biden's stockings? Trump won the right because they are mostly just as transactional. Questions like why hasn't Biden reversed Trump's China tariffs make sense to some because they tend to believe that when you have your knee on someone's throat it's just the natural order of things to press harder. America is not now divided; we have been divided and the last several years have simply made it plain.

[brenthutch 383]

10 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Well, since Trump just set about trying to erase Obama as much as possible, it might be that he doesn't understand that a good president has his staff evaluate what's been done, because just undoing doesn't change where you are -- time and events have still passed.

Wendy P.

But that is exactly what Biden did.  He stopped the keystone pipeline, costing thousands of jobs and his rhetoric effectively opened our southern border.  On day one.  No sober analysis no evaluation, just knee jerk reaction.  Now workers and children are suffering the consequences.

[SkyDekker 1,121]

3 hours ago, brenthutch said:

costing thousands of jobs

But on the weekend I was hearing reports how labour shortages are hampering the re-opening of the economy in various areas.

 

[brenthutch 383]

38 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

But on the weekend I was hearing reports how labour shortages are hampering the re-opening of the economy in various areas.

 

That is because restaurant workers have vacated cities and moved back in with their parents.  Pipeline workers are still waiting for those “millions of good paying green jobs”

BTW The Biden administration is looking into: restarting Trump’s wall, militarization of the border, paying migrants not to come to the US and giving government workers paid leave to help babysit emigrant children.  Sounds like they have everything under control.

[SkyDekker 1,121]

3 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Pipeline workers are still waiting for those “millions of good paying green jobs”

They can join the Appalachian coal miners.

[billvon 2,380]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

That is because restaurant workers have vacated cities and moved back in with their parents.  Pipeline workers are still waiting for those “millions of good paying green jobs”

No need to wait.

"The green economy generates $1.3 trillion in annual sales revenue in the United States, while creating 9.5 million full-time jobs, climatologist Mark Maslin and researcher Lucien Georgeson said in their study published in the online journal Palgrave Communications."

And this is before the $100 billion in spending to fix our national power grid.  So you have ~10 million "good paying green jobs" right now, and more to come.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/16/us-green-economy-generates-1point3-trillion-and-employs-millions-new-study-finds.html

[brenthutch 383]

36 minutes ago, billvon said:

No need to wait.

"The green economy generates $1.3 trillion in annual sales revenue in the United States, while creating 9.5 million full-time jobs, climatologist Mark Maslin and researcher Lucien Georgeson said in their study published in the online journal Palgrave Communications."

And this is before the $100 billion in spending to fix our national power grid.  So you have ~10 million "good paying green jobs" right now, and more to come.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/16/us-green-economy-generates-1point3-trillion-and-employs-millions-new-study-finds.html

Portable toilet emptying is considered a green job

“Estimating the impact of the green economy in the United States is challenging. Not only is there a broad and varied definition of what constitutes “green,” but there’s also no official data collected by the government.”

[SkyDekker 1,121]

11 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

“Estimating the impact of the green economy in the United States is challenging. Not only is there a broad and varied definition of what constitutes “green,” but there’s also no official data collected by the government.”

Because your government cut funding to the department responsible for doing such.

[Phil1111 908]

5 hours ago, brenthutch said:

That is because restaurant workers have vacated cities and moved back in with their parents.  Pipeline workers are still waiting for those “millions of good paying green jobs”

The Trump Budget Is Full of Giveaways to Coal and Oil Companies

[JoeWeber 2,294]

10 hours ago, brenthutch said:

That is because restaurant workers have vacated cities and moved back in with their parents.

If you can take a few minutes away from trying to get The Onion to publish your work, please cite which studies support your assertion that the parents of restaurant workers don't live in cities and, in particular, not the cities where their children worked in restaurants.

[brenthutch 383]

8 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

If you can take a few minutes away from trying to get The Onion to publish your work, please cite which studies support your assertion that the parents of restaurant workers don't live in cities and, in particular, not the cities where their children worked in restaurants.

Lesley Stahl was interviewing a famous restaurateur (Tom Colicchio) two Sundays ago and he was talking about the challenges he was having.  The main one being a labor shortage caused by the exodus of workers to the suburbs to live back with their parents.

[jakee 1,254]

On 4/9/2021 at 8:38 PM, brenthutch said:

Supreme Court A+

The pandemic was/is a once in a century black swan event that no large western democracy handled particularly well. Only a fool would base a policy evaluation on a once in a century event.  

Taking office with a Supreme Court vacancy waiting for you and finding another just before you leave is also a black swan, no? If you’re playing the fool on one you should do it with both.

[jakee 1,254]

23 hours ago, brenthutch said:

But that is exactly what Biden did.  He stopped the keystone pipeline, costing thousands of jobs and his rhetoric effectively opened our southern border.  On day one.  No sober analysis no evaluation, just knee jerk reaction. 

You think Biden just found out about Keystone XL on his first day in office?

[olofscience 420]

On 4/9/2021 at 8:38 PM, brenthutch said:

The pandemic was/is a once in a century black swan event that no large western democracy handled particularly well. Only a fool would base a policy evaluation on a once in a century event.  

And your house burning down could be a once in a several decades event, yet if it does you actually want the fire service to do its job. You don't care how many training competitions they win, you want them to perform when it really matters.

So not including the pandemic in a policy evaluation is actually exactly what a fool would do. Does it matter no large western democracy did it well? Many countries still did it well. You're just laying the foundations of making exactly the same mistakes when the next pandemic arrives.

[wmw999 2,116]

To expand on Olofscience's point, when I lived in Houston, I was in the 100-year flood plain (which means 100 years, in Houston...). I was even on roughly the highest point in the neighborhood (based on when we did have street flooding).

Nevertheless, I had flood insurance. I never needed it, but had the flooding actually reached my house (as opposed to stopping at the top of the sidewalk, as it did once), I would have been prepared.

Wendy P.

[brenthutch 383]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

You think Biden just found out about Keystone XL on his first day in office?

No he knew about it, he also knew that it was the safest and most economic way to transport oil.  He killed the pipeline along with thousands of good paying union jobs on day one because he caved to the noise on his left flank.

[JoeWeber 2,294]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Lesley Stahl was interviewing a famous restaurateur (Tom Colicchio) two Sundays ago and he was talking about the challenges he was having.  The main one being a labor shortage caused by the exodus of workers to the suburbs to live back with their parents.

I apologize, I often fail to make myself clear. I was hoping you'd take a moment away from writing for The Onion. That said, including the historical context of two Sundays ago and putting Tom Colicchio in parentheses certainly adds an air of authority. But it really wasn't necessary; if Leslie Stahl is reporting everyone is already sitting tall and taking notice.

[BIGUN 1,049]

3 hours ago, brenthutch said:

a famous restaurateur (Tom Colicchio)

Tom Colicchio's only interest right now is getting the Restaurant Act passed, so he can use government money to bailout his restaurants instead of digging into his own $20 Million net worth.