jakee 1,254 #2976 January 22, 2023 16 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Better take that back before Jakee reads it. The self awareness is strong with you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #2977 January 22, 2023 On 1/20/2023 at 12:57 AM, brenthutch said: Why were Biden’s personal attorneys tasked with searching his residence, when it should have been folks with the appropriate security clearance? Biden voluntarily allows DOJ to search his home The president offered access "to his home to allow DoJ to conduct a search of the entire premises for potential vice-presidential records and potential classified material", Mr Bauer said in a statement on Saturday. Well that argument died in a ditch eh Brent? What else have you got? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #2978 January 22, 2023 2 hours ago, jakee said: Biden voluntarily allows DOJ to search his home The president offered access "to his home to allow DoJ to conduct a search of the entire premises for potential vice-presidential records and potential classified material", Mr Bauer said in a statement on Saturday. Well that argument died in a ditch eh Brent? What else have you got? Where yet more classified documents were uncovered Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #2979 January 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Where yet more classified documents were uncovered Because Biden allowed the DoJ to look instead of trying to hide them. Yet it’s Trump whose behaviour you still try to justify… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #2980 January 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, jakee said: ...Yet it’s Trump whose behaviour you still try to justify… Right. Just like he's attacking Hunter Biden, while completely ignoring all the shit that the Trump spawn did while he was in office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #2981 January 22, 2023 1 minute ago, wolfriverjoe said: Right. Just like he's attacking Hunter Biden, while completely ignoring all the shit that the Trump spawn did while he was in office. A lot of whataboutizm on this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #2982 January 22, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, jakee said: Because Biden allowed the DoJ to look instead of trying to hide them. He really didn’t have a choice. BTW they were hidden, they were uncovered after a 12 hour search of his residence. Edited January 22, 2023 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 771 #2983 January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: A lot of whataboutizm on this thread. It's not whataboutizm, it's pointing out the double standard. Hunter certainly leveraged his last name to get some prime deals in life. Nothing illegal about that. The Fox Nation has a huge collective boner over allegations that require some pretty big leaps of faith to take the least bit seriously, while brushing off the fact that Ivanka Trump was actively doing business in China while holding an official White House position. It makes it hard to take much of those concerns seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #2984 January 22, 2023 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: He really didn’t have a choice. I literally just quoted you claiming he had made a different choice. 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: BTW they were hidden, they were uncovered after a 12 hour search of his residence. The second thing does not imply the first. How long is it supposed to take to thoroughly search an entire house containing documents accumulated from 50 years of government work? 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #2985 January 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, jakee said: I literally just quoted you claiming he had made a different choice. The second thing does not imply the first. How long is it supposed to take to thoroughly search an entire house containing documents accumulated from 50 years of government work? The Trump raid took less time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #2986 January 24, 2023 It's starting to look like the chaos of change of administration needs to be thoroughly overhauled, with professional oversight:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/24/pence-classified-documents-home/ Classified documents found at Mike Pence’s Indiana home A lawyer for Pence, a potential 2024 presidential candidate, found the documents during a search of the former vice president’s Carmel, Ind., home, according to letters to the National Archives. Gregory F. Jacob, a designated representative for Pence’s vice presidential records, said the FBI collected documents from Pence’s home on Jan. 19. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #2987 January 24, 2023 We have a staffing issue with regards to classified information. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #2988 January 24, 2023 What a clusterfuck 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,297 #2989 January 25, 2023 4 hours ago, airdvr said: What a clusterfuck Indeed. But until Trump decided to actually steal classified material we didn't know that having some in your exit box was normal. Trump will skate because of this reality, and he should. But regardless of your political flavor you really need to wonder just how secure our secrets are and who should have access. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #2990 January 25, 2023 9 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Indeed. But until Trump decided to actually steal classified material we didn't know that having some in your exit box was normal. Trump will skate because of this reality, and he should. But regardless of your political flavor you really need to wonder just how secure our secrets are and who should have access. Agreed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #2991 January 25, 2023 11 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Indeed. But until Trump decided to actually steal classified material we didn't know that having some in your exit box was normal. Trump will skate because of this reality, and he should. But regardless of your political flavor you really need to wonder just how secure our secrets are and who should have access. It makes one wonder how typical this sort of thing is. People at that level of government have literally thousands of documents (tens of thousands?). A certain percentage are guaranteed to be classified at some level. From what I've read, the Biden situation (and even the Pence) are somewhat routine. People accidently keep stuff they shouldn't. When they find them, they call up NARA, make arrangements to get the stuff returned and life goes on. GWB was a former Director of the CIA. His clearance level was astronomical. Is it possible to believe there wasn't at least ONE document left behind? The Trump situation was different on a number of levels. The sheer amount, the level of classification, where he had them, the fact that he repeatedly refused to return them, the concept that he may well have been planning on selling them, all of that. But, of course, the Trumpettes insist that the situations are EXACTLY the same. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #2992 January 25, 2023 14 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Indeed. But until Trump decided to actually steal classified material we didn't know that having some in your exit box was normal. Trump will skate because of this reality, and he should. Huh? Non of the statutes used to underpin the affidavit for the search warrant have anything to do with classified materials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,297 #2993 January 25, 2023 36 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Huh? Non of the statutes used to underpin the affidavit for the search warrant have anything to do with classified materials. ??? This the internet not a court. I think Trump intentionally took the classified documents and I'm allowed to believe it and say it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #2994 January 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: ??? This the internet not a court. I think Trump intentionally took the classified documents and I'm allowed to believe it and say it. You said Trump will and should skate because of the Biden and Pence cases. However they are nowhere near equivalent, so not sure how you are getting to that conclusion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,297 #2995 January 25, 2023 Just now, SkyDekker said: You said Trump will and should skate because of the Biden and Pence cases. However they are nowhere near equivalent, so not sure how you are getting to that conclusion. It dilutes the seriousness of the offense in the public mind, which I think, reduces the chances charges will be brought. The should is again just a personal opinion, because the R maniacs in Congress will likely drag Biden through an impeachment or some other inanity as pay back. Perhaps you have some personal opinions you'd like to tie your name to instead of picking away at the thoughts of others like they're annoying scabs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #2996 January 25, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: It dilutes the seriousness of the offense in the public mind, which I think, reduces the chances charges will be brought. I would hope that charging decisions are not based on public opinion or polling. Trump will most likely get charged. Biden and Pence will not, because based on current available information they did not commit a crime. If a Republican is elected president in 2024 Trump will be pardoned. 9 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: Perhaps you have some personal opinions you'd like to tie your name to instead of picking away at the thoughts of others like they're annoying scabs. Yes god forbid people's opinions would get a reaction. Edited to add: the more interesting discussion is how charging decisions would play out if Trump has not yet been charged AND he is elected president again. Does the current DOJ policy to not charge a sitting president cover that scenario or not? Edited January 25, 2023 by SkyDekker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #2997 January 25, 2023 30 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: It dilutes the seriousness of the offense in the public mind, which I think, reduces the chances charges will be brought. The should is again just a personal opinion, because the R maniacs in Congress will likely drag Biden through an impeachment or some other inanity as pay back. Perhaps you have some personal opinions you'd like to tie your name to instead of picking away at the thoughts of others like they're annoying scabs. People are allowed to disagree with you. If you could drop the self absorbtion for one moment you’d notice his opinion came across quite clearly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #2998 January 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Trump will most likely get charged. Biden and Pence will not, because based on current available information they did not commit a crime. Biden also will not because of the (IMO ludicrous) US policy of not holding sitting Presidents accountable to the law. Another thing that makes all the right wing moaning about why Biden’s house wasn’t raided by a SWAT team all the more hilarious. Ask any of them 6 weeks ago if there are any circumstances in which a current President’s house should be raided by law enforcement and they’d have laughed you out of the building. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #2999 January 25, 2023 23 minutes ago, jakee said: Biden also will not because of the (IMO ludicrous) US policy of not holding sitting Presidents accountable to the law. That same DOJ policy makes it very hard, if not impossible for DOJ reports to indicate a crime has been committed. I do believe the US constitution says that an accused has a right to face the accuser. Probably why the Mueller report wasn't overly clear on the obstruction issue, but skated around it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #3000 January 25, 2023 5 hours ago, SkyDekker said: You said Trump will and should skate because of the Biden and Pence cases. However they are nowhere near equivalent, so not sure how you are getting to that conclusion. Hi Sky, What I am liking is that Kevin McCarthy & Jim Jordan, are now completely silent on this since the Pence document situation has been in the news. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
