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12 minutes ago, mistercwood said:

I'm not a scientician, but I do my best to at least do a cursory read of any study that the anti-X post as "proof" that they're in the right - including this one.

Without fail, they never, ever say what the poster is claiming. Not ONCE in the last 2 years has the actual study backed up their claim. 

I was ready to put up a rebuttal but Bill already did a far better job than I could have.

And again there's the asymmetry of effort - ever notice, by the time you post your rebuttal, they just abandon their point and change the topic? Then come back to it in a few weeks as if their point hadn't been rebutted at all.

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 Thanks for your optimism. There are no deaths of despair and economics has nothing to do with life expectancy,suicide,crime,unemployment homelessness or addiction.I guess I should take an euphoric oblivious Presidential nap..counting them sheep.

When ask the difference between a million and a billion the President replied; that's easy.... one simple letter.{plagiarized}

 

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1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

It was posted by Rich, I'm heading out back to smoke a fatty, Ravizza. No real surprises, as ever.

As much as I do,respect you,Sir. I'm going to take that as a complement,seriously.

I mean, if that's your shtick with me, I'll take it. I'll let you in on a lil secret, "Out to Smoke that Fatty". Usually means I need a break from the forums eco chamber of..., so I leave,mostly because I'm so frustrated with the CNN brainwashed braindead living in their MSM situational design.No woke,edit that,no joke Joe.

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3 hours ago, richravizza said:

 Thanks for your optimism. There are no deaths of despair and economics has nothing to do with life expectancy,

This is called "changing the goalposts."

You originally posted a study showing that lockdowns don't work.  I think you realize that that study is fake now.  So rather than say "dang, I'll have to check my sources a little better" you reply with "well that's not important!  What's important is that economic woes caused by lockdowns kill people too!"

However:

1) that's something of a different argument (i.e. you changed the goalposts)
2) not even the study you posted claims that deaths go up during lockdowns due to the factors you listed above.

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On 2/4/2022 at 7:10 PM, richravizza said:

Hi Joe,

You and I have been living a lie. Like puppets on a string. Lockdowns did nothing but create State imposed victims of despair.

 

Re; Deaths of Despair there's dozens... Every town has them but mostly in Democratic lock down cities.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/deaths-of-despair-spiked-in-washington-in-2020-exceeding-deaths-from-covid-19/

As for your last sentence... LOL I'm out to smoke that fatty.I'll be Back

Here's my OG post, and you see two goal posts,you'd be correct,neither a moving target.

You debunked a Meta study,Thank you sir, I stand corrected.

"you reply with "well that's not important! " You don't use the quote feature much, not what I said.

"What's important is that economic woes caused by lockdowns kill people too! "

also your words and I'll Agree. 

 

 

 

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no joy wjoe

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9 hours ago, richravizza said:

"What's important is that economic woes caused by lockdowns kill people too! "

Exactly.  That, as I mentioned, is a different discussion.

Economic problems kill people.  COVID kills people as well.  As every study has pointed out (including your meta-study) the end result is that, on the balance, shutdowns save far more lives than they take.

In addition, the idea that "if we don't have a government shutdown the economy is not affected" is a false one, as we saw a month ago when several service industries were crippled by not having enough healthy employees to operate.

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On 2/4/2022 at 4:34 PM, wolfriverjoe said:

While it is true that 'both parties have problems', that's a pretty standard "both-siderism".

To pretend that 'both sides' have similar problems is pretty silly.

One party is having issues getting everyone on board for legislative issues.
The other party is being heavily investigated for trying to overturn the presidential election.

One party is having trouble getting people to follow the protocols to manage the pandemic (and its not even slightly funny that the people whining and crying the loudest about Biden's handling of it are the ones petulantly refusing to do anything he asks).
The other party has members blatantly flouting those protocols.

When one party has Nazis, the KKK and white supremacists on it's side, they aren't the 'good guys'.

Stop making up lies. I never said what you want to assign to me. I never said that the parties had the same or similar problems. Well except that they both have folks that are dishonest and self-serving. 

 

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On 2/4/2022 at 7:10 PM, richravizza said:

Hi Joe,

You and I have been living a lie. Like puppets on a string. Lockdowns did nothing but create State imposed victims of despair.

As for your last sentence... LOL I'm out to smoke that fatty.I'll be Back

"When one party has Nazis, the KKK and white supremacists on it's side, they aren't the 'good guys'."

Sorry for the interruption,some post rebutts,just to have their response at the top of the page,While the time and effort spent on a  better profile page with a gender opinion, would go a long way. 

to wit;

So If Conservatives have the cone heads,nazis and White prison inmates does that mean the Progressives own the rest? The bloods, Crips, MS13, the cartels Russian mexicain ect... the Black Israelites, Islamists, how about the pedos.They must be your "good guys",rite.

sucks, that guilt by association thang.

 Most white supidists, are products of environment, produced by the thousands monthly, products of the freedom to be a criminal, a prerequisite of any prison stay.. and We have quite a prison population.Building diversified social networks is Not an option.LOL

The upshot; it's  environmental. 

Nazis were Socialist, National socialist workers party " Centrally planned cradle to grave, as it was. "They thought they were Free" too, with compulsory state education,racial qualifications and State demigod to save them from the "threats within" The irony thats for another day.

I think we're shooting at the bottom of a barrel, lets be careful, we might just shoot our foot off.

  How about them Globalist,Corporatist,and Technocrats,Soros,Nancy and her ethical million it's all good

 

 

enjoy brotha.

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Just now, richravizza said:

 Pro gres so pho bia o my!

It's not THAT scary.  I mean, yeah, you have to figure out how to plug in EV's, treat women and minorities as equals and maintain your password list, but all those things will come with time.

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7 hours ago, billvon said:

It's not THAT scary.  I mean, yeah, you have to figure out how to plug in EV's, treat women and minorities as equals and maintain your password list, but all those things will come with time.

Figure out which bathrooms to use, learn new pronouns, get to be offended on the behalf of other folks who don’t realize they have been offended, learn to virtue signal, piously decry your privilege…..oh the joys of progressivism 

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I’ve done all of those things. For one thing, it’s just not that hard — it means having the basic respect/consideration for another person to think they’re as worthy of my consideration as I would expect to be of theirs. 
The bathrooms are clearly marked. I have more trouble with cute little bull/cow memes than “whatever, just wash your hands.” Pronouns are not that different from names. If we can get past saying “boy” and “girl” for adult humans people used to consider as not being worthy of the consideration of learning a name, then maybe if we interact with someone we should also learn how they want to be addressed. Their opinions are more important than my assumptions. 
As far as the other, well, to each their own. I don’t get offended on behalf of Clarence Thomas when someone calls him a moron, after all. 

I don’t decry my privilege, I acknowledge the advantages it’s given me. There’s a difference. It cuts down some of my self-regard, but since that part was unearned, that’s OK. It just means I have to work a little harder — just like people with less privilege.

Wendy P. 

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1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

Figure out which bathrooms to use, learn new pronouns, get to be offended on the behalf of other folks who don’t realize they have been offended, learn to virtue signal, piously decry your privilege…..oh the joys of progressivism 

Did you have a hard time when you learned you shouldn't call grown men "boy" or "Nig---"?  Why is extending the smallest degree of respect to other people so hard for you?

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23 hours ago, billvon said:

Exactly.  That, as I mentioned, is a different discussion.

Economic problems kill people.  COVID kills people as well.  As every study has pointed out (including your meta-study) the end result is that, on the balance, shutdowns save far more lives than they take.

How can you possibly know that?  The death and destruction caused by the lockdowns is going to continue to reverberate for years.

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On 2/4/2022 at 9:10 PM, richravizza said:

Hi Joe,

You and I have been living a lie. Like puppets on a string. Lockdowns did nothing but create State imposed victims of despair.

 

Re; Deaths of Despair there's dozens... Every town has them but mostly in Democratic lock down cities.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/deaths-of-despair-spiked-in-washington-in-2020-exceeding-deaths-from-covid-19/

As for your last sentence... LOL I'm out to smoke that fatty.I'll be Back

The lockdowns were a short term solution. Nobody with an understanding of what they did and how they worked expected them to be a long term thing. The costs outweighed the benefits fairly quickly.


Funny, though, how the entire world decided that they would be a good thing.

Everywhere. Many places a LOT more strictly enforced than here in the US.

China, for example, is still using them.
One reason the supply chain is so screwed up is that many factories in China are having problems making stuff when the workforce is regularly locked down.

Besides, this thread was about criticisms of Biden. I don't think I recall him instituting any large scale lockdowns or quarantines.

1 hour ago, GeorgiaDon said:

Did you have a hard time when you learned you shouldn't call grown men "boy" or "Nig---"?  Why is extending the smallest degree of respect to other people so hard for you?

Because treating those they see as "lesser" as equals makes them appear weak.
Or at least they seem to think so.

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