brenthutch 383 #1276 August 24, 2021 Biden canceled the Keystone pipeline, green lighted Russia’s pipeline, ended oil and gas leases on federal land and is now imploring OPEC to produce more oil. Can someone please explain how this makes sense? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #1277 August 24, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Biden canceled the Keystone pipeline, green lighted Russia’s pipeline, ended oil and gas leases on federal land and is now imploring OPEC to produce more oil. Can someone please explain how this makes sense? When Donald Trump launched his presidential campaign in 2015 by saying “Nobody builds walls better than me”, it was to say the least a questionable claim." Picture of trump's wall last week. Torn away by water erosion. Biden administration imposes limited sanctions over Russian gas pipeline Getting your news feed from Mike Lindell.com again? "ended oil and gas leases on federal land and is now imploring OPEC" Because GOP hacks and oil companies don't like to obey laws: Between 69 and 84 percent of observed methane gas flares in Texas were unpermitted, environmental group Earthworks said in a report published on Thursday, which says the Railroad Commission of Texas "systemically fails to regulate flaring." Make sense now? Edited August 24, 2021 by Phil1111 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1278 August 24, 2021 15 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: When Donald Trump launched his presidential campaign in 2015 by saying “Nobody builds walls better than me”, it was to say the least a questionable claim." Picture of trump's wall last week. Torn away by water erosion. Biden administration imposes limited sanctions over Russian gas pipeline Getting your news feed from Mike Lindell.com again? "ended oil and gas leases on federal land and is now imploring OPEC" Because GOP hacks and oil companies don't like to obey laws: Between 69 and 84 percent of observed methane gas flares in Texas were unpermitted, environmental group Earthworks said in a report published on Thursday, which says the Railroad Commission of Texas "systemically fails to regulate flaring." Make sense now? From your article “The new sanctions target a Russian ship, the Ostap Sheremeta, involved in laying pipe for the project that is nearly complete” “The administration maintains it opposes the project but says it is a fait accompli.” feck·less /ˈfekləs/ adjective lacking initiative or strength of character; irresponsible. "a feckless mama's boy" Similar: useless worthless incompetent inefficient inept BTW bad orange man gone (except in the heads of lefties where he will live, rent free, forever) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #1279 August 24, 2021 44 minutes ago, brenthutch said: BTW bad orange man gone (except in the heads of lefties where he will live, rent free, forever) Once again your inclinations to accept misinformation and lies as truth has confused you. trump, President Putin's puppet accepted Nord Stream 2. "During the press conference that followed this morning’s U.S.–Russia summit in Helsinki, Donald Trump seemed to soften his criticism of Nord Stream 2, a Russian-backed natural-gas pipeline that would run under the Baltic Sea from Russia to northern Germany..... But following his sit-down with Putin, Trump was more amenable to Germany’s position. The president now says he knows “where they’re all coming from” and frames America’s dispute with Russia over energy issues as one between good-natured competitors. Said the American president, “So I’ll just wish them luck.... Merkel might have previously felt compelled to block the project following Trump’s tirades, his performance in Helsinki has certainly relieved much of that pressure” trump's motives were even clearer after the Putin meeting." At a time when the American president speaks more favorably of Moscow than of Brussels — and as that president attempts to cajole Emmanuel Macron into exiting the EU (ignoring the fact that this French president is arguably the most pro-European figure on the continent, vying with Merkel for the title) to arguing that it was formed to take advantage of the United States to calling it a “foe” So after looking into President Putin's hypnotic eyes trump folded like a drunk loser in Vegas. Then stated that he wished Germany and Russia, "luck". That the pipeline is all about US gas exports not about security. The above story is from National Review founded by William F. Buckley Jr. in 1955. You need to get your information from more credible conservative sources. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1280 August 24, 2021 Bad orange man gone, bad orange man gone, bad orange man gone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #1281 August 24, 2021 On 3/26/2021 at 12:10 AM, brenthutch said: Trump gave the Ukrainians Javelin anti tank missiles, Obama gave them blankets. Obama gave the Russians a pass in Syria, Trump killed them. Bad black man gone, bad black man gone. Fucking years ago too, not just months. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1282 August 24, 2021 47 minutes ago, jakee said: Bad black man gone, bad black man gone. Fucking years ago too, not just months. Wrong thread, this is Biden’s critics corner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #1283 August 24, 2021 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: Wrong thread, this is Biden’s critics corner. Wow! Ok, so we're both on the same page here - you're saying it was wrong for you to post about Trump and Obama in a Biden thread? This may be the most self aware thing you've ever posted. Please don't ruin it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #1284 August 24, 2021 7 hours ago, Phil1111 said: Picture of trump's wall last week. Nice of Trump to provide doors for immigrants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1285 August 25, 2021 4 hours ago, jakee said: Wow! Ok, so we're both on the same page here - you're saying it was wrong for you to post about Trump and Obama in a Biden thread? This may be the most self aware thing you've ever posted. Please don't ruin it. To juxtapose the Obama/Biden administration to the Trump administration is fair game. Don’t forget, Joe was always the last one in the room when critical decisions were being made. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,120 #1286 August 25, 2021 It’s your game and you’re making up the rules as you go along. My brothers and I played like that when we were 7, 8, and 9. It was already feeling dumb then. Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,298 #1287 August 25, 2021 33 minutes ago, brenthutch said: To juxtapose the Obama/Biden administration to the Trump administration is fair game. Don’t forget, Joe was always the last one in the room when critical decisions were being made. https://jobs.lewistownsentinel.com/ Just a thought...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #1288 August 25, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, brenthutch said: To juxtapose the Obama/Biden administration to the Trump administration is fair game. Don’t forget, Joe was always the last one in the room when critical decisions were being made. So now it's not the wrong thread because you realise it was you that did it? ... You ruined it. Edited August 25, 2021 by jakee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #1289 August 25, 2021 10 hours ago, wmw999 said: It’s your game and you’re making up the rules as you go along. My brothers and I played like that when we were 7, 8, and 9. It was already feeling dumb then. Wendy P. CalvinBall!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #1290 August 25, 2021 Invitation to those who think Trump would have done it better: Given that Trump's "deal" with the Taliban would have withdrawn US troops sooner (May 2021), given that Trump had negotiated the release of several thousand Taliban fighters already, given that the US had been training the Afghan so-called "Army" for nearly 20 years, given that the US had propped up a puppet government riddled with incompetence and corruption for years, and given that the same US generals would have been in charge on the ground: How exactly would Trump have overseen a better outcome? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #1291 August 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, kallend said: Invitation to those who think Trump would have done it better: Given that Trump's "deal" with the Taliban would have withdrawn US troops sooner (May 2021), given that Trump had negotiated the release of several thousand Taliban fighters already, given that the US had been training the Afghan so-called "Army" for nearly 20 years, given that the US had propped up a puppet government riddled with incompetence and corruption for years, and given that the same US generals would have been in charge on the ground: How exactly would Trump have overseen a better outcome? A similar question can be asked of those claiming that 'Biden screwed it up' How could it have been done better? Not just "he should have done it better". Exactly what should have been done differently? Heather Cox Richardson sums it up rather nicely (she does that a lot).https://www.facebook.com/heathercoxrichardson Post from Aug 24th for those clicking on it in the future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #1292 August 25, 2021 2 hours ago, kallend said: Invitation to those who think Trump would have done it better: Given that Trump's "deal" with the Taliban would have withdrawn US troops sooner (May 2021), given that Trump had negotiated the release of several thousand Taliban fighters already, given that the US had been training the Afghan so-called "Army" for nearly 20 years, given that the US had propped up a puppet government riddled with incompetence and corruption for years, and given that the same US generals would have been in charge on the ground: How exactly would Trump have overseen a better outcome? That's easy. Trump would have said that all the best people are saying he is doing a great job, best job possible. Then people like Brent would say: see, all the best people are saying it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #1293 August 25, 2021 I learned a new term yesterday: "hospital pass". Geoff Hoon, who was the British Defense Secretary when Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded (the British military was involved, not just the American), put the blame for the Afghanistan situation on the "peace treaty" Trump negotiated with the Taliban, and said Trump threw Biden a "hospital pass". I had to look it up as I had not heard the term before. A hospital pass comes from Rugby but it's sometimes used for other sports, it's when you avoid being tackled yourself by passing the ball to another player who then immediately takes a hard tackle that could put them in the hospital. Sounds to me like a good description of what has happened here. Don 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #1294 August 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, GeorgiaDon said: I learned a new term yesterday: "hospital pass". Geoff Hoon, who was the British Defense Secretary when Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded (the British military was involved, not just the American), put the blame for the Afghanistan situation on the "peace treaty" Trump negotiated with the Taliban, and said Trump threw Biden a "hospital pass". I had to look it up as I had not heard the term before. A hospital pass comes from Rugby but it's sometimes used for other sports, it's when you avoid being tackled yourself by passing the ball to another player who then immediately takes a hard tackle that could put them in the hospital. Sounds to me like a good description of what has happened here. Don called a suicide pass in hockey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #1295 August 25, 2021 5 hours ago, kallend said: Invitation to those who think Trump would have done it better: Given that Trump's "deal" with the Taliban would have withdrawn US troops sooner (May 2021), given that Trump had negotiated the release of several thousand Taliban fighters already, given that the US had been training the Afghan so-called "Army" for nearly 20 years, given that the US had propped up a puppet government riddled with incompetence and corruption for years, and given that the same US generals would have been in charge on the ground: How exactly would Trump have overseen a better outcome? Hi John, Both of my children, before they became teenagers, would remember what they wanted to remember and would forget what they wanted to forget. I called it Selective Memory; I think it applies in this instance. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1296 August 26, 2021 (edited) On 8/25/2021 at 2:27 PM, SkyDekker said: called a suicide pass in hockey Biden did what he wanted, he was under no obligation to honor Trumps agreement. The fact that Biden moved the exit date from May to 9/11 (brilliant) and then to 8/31 is evidence of that. He could have just as easily moved the date back six months. Biden owns this debacle and now he has American blood on his hands. Edited August 26, 2021 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #1297 August 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Biden did what he wanted, he was under no obligation to honor Trumps agreement. The fact that Biden moved the exit date from May to 9/11 (brilliant) and then to 8/31 is evidence of that. He could have just as easily moved the date back six months. Biden owns this debacle and now he has American blood on his hands. 20 year conflict, but Biden owns it. Buddy, you couldn't be more partisan if you tried. More than enough blame to go around. Trying to pin it all on one person, one president, one decision shows a serious lack of understanding and quite frankly shows a lack of intelligence. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #1298 August 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Biden did what he wanted, he was under no obligation to honor Trumps agreement. The fact that Biden moved the exit date from May to 9/11 (brilliant) and then to 8/31 is evidence of that. He could have just as easily moved the date back six months. Biden owns this debacle and now he has American blood on his hands. What do you think would have happened if the pullout had been done in winter? What difference do you think it would have made? Do you think the evacuation after the fall of Kabul in spring would have been easier with no allied troops left in the country?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1299 August 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: 20 year conflict, but Biden owns it. Buddy, you couldn't be more partisan if you tried. More than enough blame to go around. Trying to pin it all on one person, one president, one decision shows a serious lack of understanding and quite frankly shows a lack of intelligence. I am referring to the political reality. The original blame belongs to GWB. I don’t see how that is partisan. I have been watching the far left MSNBC all day and the coverage has been nothing less than brutal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1300 August 26, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, jakee said: What do you think would have happened if the pullout had been done in winter? What difference do you think it would have made? If the pullout had occurred in the dead of winter, the Taliban would not have been able to move on the capital as quickly as they did. It would have taken months not hours. winter in Afghanistan https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/nation_world/20150301_Helicopters_aid_snowbound_Afghans.html Edited August 26, 2021 by brenthutch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites