President Biden, critics corner

[kallend 1,623]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

You must still be having those reading comprehension difficulties. 

Irony meter explodes.

[Phil1111 910]

17 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

First loss in forty years?  That seems to be an anomaly not a trend.  However, if you are correct, we just need to let the market forces play out.  No need for expensive government subsidies for wind, solar and EVs.  Don’t you agree?

The damages to the environment, the use of resources that belong to all Americans that the oil industry pays nothing for. Needs to be collected to compensate the poor as the economy transitions to a new environmentally sustainable economy. One where the only fuel stations are for trains, long haul commercial A/C and shipping.

Subsequent to the transition there will be no subsidies for anybody. Cars like Why Lightyear Could Be The Most Game-Changing Car Company On the Planet.

Together with new residential construction building codes will make electricity almost free. IMO your beliefs are tied to the growth among republicans that are just anti education. From the latest PEW study: "On other issues, attitudes changed more among Republicans than among Democrats. One notable example related to views of higher education: Between 2015 and 2017, the share of Republicans who said colleges and universities were having a negative effect on the way things were going in the U.S. rose from 37% to 58%, even as around seven-in-ten Democrats continued to say these institutions were having a positive effect. "

Change, new technology and the end of big oil is hard for you. Why not enroll in a community college in the evenings.You would meet all kinds of young people and broaden your views?

[airdvr 197]

UI don't think Rs have a problem with higher education.  What I have a problem with is universities lining their coffers with federal student loan money.  So many young people are saddled with student loan debt it affects the entire economy.  BTW...instead of forgiving the debt maybe we should have the universities give some back to the students.

[brenthutch 383]

56 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

The damages to the environment, the use of resources that belong to all Americans that the oil industry pays nothing for. Needs to be collected to compensate the poor as the economy transitions to a new environmentally sustainable economy. One where the only fuel stations are for trains, long haul commercial A/C and shipping.

Subsequent to the transition there will be no subsidies for anybody. Cars like Why Lightyear Could Be The Most Game-Changing Car Company On the Planet.

Together with new residential construction building codes will make electricity almost free. 

Didn’t we do this twelve years ago?  Wind and solar are the power sources of the future....and always will be.

[brenthutch 383]

6 hours ago, kallend said:

I realize that Chicago is way ahead of the times....

I hear their public education is top notch 

[billvon 2,396]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

 BTW...instead of forgiving the debt maybe we should have the universities give some back to the students.

And just like that . . .  R's support socialism.

[airdvr 197]

Call it whatever makes you feel good.  Everyone knows it's all about feels these days.

[SkyDekker 1,121]

 

14 hours ago, airdvr said:

I believe Warren Buffet bought BNSF a few years back.  They haul a lot of oil.  I wonder if he contributed to the dems or reps?

Few years? He bought the remaining stock in 2009 and has owned it completely since then.

By far the biggest revenue source for BNSF is hauling consumer goods.

As usual you have heard a soundbite somewhere but have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

[airdvr 197]

Consumer goods are number 1.  Industrial products is second on the list with 1.2 billion in Q3 2020 revenue.  I'm sure the stockholders are OK with paying little attention to the second largest income source.  There certainly wouldn't be any motivation to support cancelling Keystone.

[kallend 1,623]

3 minutes ago, airdvr said:

  I'm sure the stockholders are OK with paying little attention to the second largest income source. 

Is anything that generates income for stockholders OK with you?  Anything?  Anything at all?

Or do even you have limits on what you'll support?

[billvon 2,396]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

Call it whatever makes you feel good.  Everyone knows it's all about feels these days.

Government control of private industry is socialism.  R's love it when it's applied to private industries they dislike (like Facebook and universities) and scream bloody murder when it's applied to private industries they like.

[airdvr 197]

1 minute ago, kallend said:

Is anything that generates income for stockholders OK with you?  Anything?  Anything at all?

Or do even you have limits on what you'll support?

Anything legal.

Let me see if I have this straight; you think using rail for hauling oil/natural gas is preferable to a pipeline?

[airdvr 197]

3 minutes ago, billvon said:

Government control of private industry is socialism.  R's love it when it's applied to private industries they dislike (like Facebook and universities) and scream bloody murder when it's applied to private industries they like.

For the most part universities stopped being "private industries" when they started taking taxpayer money for a substandard result.  Hell, they can't even educate a pharmacist to think correctly.

[billvon 2,396]

2 minutes ago, airdvr said:

For the most part universities stopped being "private industries" when they started taking taxpayer money for a substandard result.  Hell, they can't even educate a pharmacist to think correctly.

OK, cool.  Since oil companies take a lot of taxpayer money as well, then no worries about telling them they have to pay carbon taxes on their products.

[brenthutch 383]

4 minutes ago, billvon said:

OK, cool.  Since oil companies take a lot of taxpayer money as well, then no worries about telling them they have to pay carbon taxes on their products.

If that is a good idea I am sure the Democrats will implement one.  If they think it is political suicide they won’t.  We shouldn’t have to wait much longer to find out.

[SkyDekker 1,121]

34 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Industrial products is second on the list with 1.2 billion in Q3 2020 revenue.  I'm sure the stockholders are OK with paying little attention to the second largest income source.

Industrial products also includes: chemicals, steel, lumber, wind energy equipment, transformers, generators, etc. The far majority of BNSF revenue does not come from oil.

[wmw999 2,121]

41 minutes ago, airdvr said:

For the most part universities stopped being "private industries" when they started taking taxpayer money for a substandard result.  Hell, they can't even educate a pharmacist to think correctly.

I wonder what the reaction would be if medical, pharmacy, and nursing programs were to kick out people for being young Earth creationists

Wendy P.

[billvon 2,396]

10 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

I wonder what the reaction would be if medical, pharmacy, and nursing programs were to kick out people for being young Earth creationists.

Hardworking people like the guy below would be denied gainful employment!  More proof that Biden just wants to destroy US jobs.

https://thehill.com/homenews/536749-fbi-pharmacist-who-sought-to-spoil-vaccines-also-believes-earth-is-flat

[Westerly 61]

4 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Didn’t we do this twelve years ago?  Wind and solar are the power sources of the future....and always will be.

The long-term future, probably. In the short term, no chance. Gasoline is still the most energy-dense fuel in common use. Electric engines just use too much electricity to be useful in many applications such as driving long distance or powering very energy-hungry devices. For example, there are a few electric boats on the market now. Their range is absolute crap compared to gas powered boats because they need so many batteries that they run out of space in the hull to store them. They are also 4x as expensive. 

The main issue is we need more dense energy storage. When we have a battery that is the size of a gallon of gas that can store as much energy as an actual gallon of gas, that is when we will see electric motors start to take off.

Right now, gas is the lightest, most energy dense, and cheapest fuel we have that is readily available. Solar is great for power plants. Not so great for portable devices.

Edited February 2, 2021 by Westerly

[billvon 2,396]

24 minutes ago, Westerly said:

The long-term future, probably. In the short term, no chance. Gasoline is still the most energy-dense fuel in common use. Electric engines just use too much electricity to be useful in many applications such as driving long distance or powering very energy-hungry devices.

I have two EV's, a BEV and a PHEV.  Both are charged via solar.  Never had a problem with range with either one of them.

[murps2000 86]

7 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Change.... i know its frightening to you, Murps2000 and others. Exxon is a good example of whats coming. Since 2015 they have spent $30 billion more than what their cash flow was. Cash flow not profits.Exxon Posts First Annual Loss in 40 Years on Huge Writedown

Three consecutive quarterly losses ended up in a $19.3 billion writedown. Its time to face your fears about whats coming and stop the feigned compassion for the poor.

I’m pretty sure you’re misunderstanding my position on the issues at hand so let me be clear. I am definitely in favor of moving away from fossil fuels. I think reducing or eliminating our dependence on them is a goal worthy of our best efforts. But I think managing that transition in a way that is as equitable as possible to people at all levels of income should be part of those efforts. I realize there is a sense of urgency because we have lost the last four years but simply jacking the prices and leaving it to the market to solve the problem doesn’t achieve that. We needed the infrastructure in place for it yesterday. So let’s catch up. Take my tax dollars to do it. I am fine with that. I am all for it.

[Westerly 61]

21 minutes ago, billvon said:

I have two EV's, a BEV and a PHEV.  Both are charged via solar.  Never had a problem with range with either one of them.

Have you ever tried to drive across the country in your EV? You dont need to answer that, I already know the answer.

[brenthutch 383]

52 minutes ago, billvon said:

I have two EV's, a BEV and a PHEV.  Both are charged via solar.  Never had a problem with range with either one of them.

What do you do when it snows for three days straight?  

[SkyDekker 1,121]

43 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

What do you do when it snows for three days straight?  

I would go skiing.

[billvon 2,396]

2 hours ago, Westerly said:

Have you ever tried to drive across the country in your EV? You dont need to answer that, I already know the answer.

Nope, I never have.  Plenty of people have done just that, though.  Do you not understand how they could do that?