Lefties and lockdowns

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10 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Florida 1,350 deaths per 1,000,000

California 1,200 deaths per 1,000,000

No wonder Brent thinks this is a clear win for Florida.

Also California came down from a much higher peak, much more steeply, when compared to Florida.

[SkyDekker 1,121]

Nobody needs facts when the New York Post of all publications has already done the thinking for you!

[brenthutch 383]

17 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Florida 1,350 deaths per 1,000,000

California 1,200 deaths per 1,000,000

No wonder Brent thinks this is a clear win for Florida.

I would say it’s a tie.  The real winners are the citizens and businesses of Florida.  As a reward to Florida my family and I will be pumping thousands of dollars into their economy via amusement parks, restaurants and bars next month.

Edited February 16, 2021 by brenthutch

[kallend 1,623]

12 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Florida 1,350 deaths per 1,000,000

California 1,200 deaths per 1,000,000

No wonder Brent thinks this is a clear win for Florida.

You and your alternate facts!

[nwt 131]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

I would say it’s a tie.  The real winners are the citizens and businesses of Florida.

I think you missed this. California just blew past Florida but the race isn't over, it's not a tie, and it's obvious who is in the lead.

[brenthutch 383]

California unemployment rate 9%

Florida unemployment rate 6.1%

[nwt 131]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

California unemployment rate 9%

Florida unemployment rate 6.1%

So you finally agree that lockdowns are effective in reducing viral infection?

[brenthutch 383]

27 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Florida 1,350 deaths per 1,000,000

California 1,200 deaths per 1,000,000

No wonder Brent thinks this is a clear win for Florida.

That is more a result in the difference in the age of the population than any policy difference.

Fl 41.8 years old

CA 36.1 years old

[nwt 131]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

That is more a result in the difference in the age of the population than any policy difference.

[citation needed]

[SkyDekker 1,121]

1 minute ago, nwt said:

[citation needed]

*PooA (Pull out of Ass)

[nwt 131]

5 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

That is more a result in the difference in the age of the population than any policy difference.

Fl 41.8 years old

CA 36.1 years old

So you agree that your example of Florida compared with California does not support the claim you've been trying to make regarding efficacy of lockdowns?

[brenthutch 383]

2 minutes ago, nwt said:

[citation needed]

 

% of population > 65 years old = 19.1% for FL and 14.8% for CA

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/09/where-do-the-oldest-americans-live/

[nwt 131]

Just now, brenthutch said:

 

% of population > 65 years old = 19.1% for FL and 14.8% for CA

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/09/where-do-the-oldest-americans-live/

I'm not disputing that Florida is older than California--I'm disputing this:

11 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

That is more a result in [...] than

 

[gowlerk 1,905]

This story about the NHL season with canadian teams playing in a separate division this year illustrates the difference in covid control.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-covid-19-north-canada-us-1.5913621

 

[brenthutch 383]

5 minutes ago, nwt said:

So you agree that your example of Florida compared with California does not support the claim you've been trying to make regarding efficacy of lockdowns?

No lockdowns are very effective......at destroying the economy, ruining children’s education, creating a mental health crisis, exasperating a homeless crisis, destroying small businesses, and draining savings accounts to name a few.  It just doesn’t look like they save a bunch of lives.

[nwt 131]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

No lockdowns are very effective......at destroying the economy, ruining children’s education, creating a mental health crisis, exasperating a homeless crisis, destroying small businesses, and draining savings accounts to name a few.  It just doesn’t look like they save a bunch of lives.

But you agree that you haven't actually supported this opinion with any kind of evidence?

[brenthutch 383]

26 minutes ago, nwt said:

But you agree that you haven't actually supported this opinion with any kind of evidence?

Yet more evidence:

https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/lockdowns-could-kill-more-people-than-covid-19/

and more

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/

 

Edited February 16, 2021 by brenthutch

[billvon 2,395]

25 minutes ago, nwt said:

But you agree that you haven't actually supported this opinion with any kind of evidence?

I've heard the whole "ruining kid's education" thing a bunch of times.  But I see no evidence of it.  I think it's more to do with kids that are driving their parents nuts.

Here we've been remote learning about half the time since the pandemic started.  Right now we are hybrid - some kids staying home, some in school.  Seems to work.  That way parents have the choice of remote or in person learning, and the total present in the (outdoor) classrooms is reduced.  San Diego Unified is doing a more rigid 50/50 - 50% of the time in 'classrooms' (often tents) 50% of the time remote.  No evidence that any education has been "ruined."

But parents are going nuts having their kids home all the time, so they post about how horrible it is  - for the kids.

[Westerly 61]

41 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

No lockdowns are very effective......at destroying the economy, ruining children’s education, creating a mental health crisis, exasperating a homeless crisis, destroying small businesses, and draining savings accounts to name a few.  It just doesn’t look like they save a bunch of lives.

You know what else causes all of those things? About a million dollars in medical bills due to a bad Covid infection. Plenty of Americans with that right now. Or you could have it worse and you just die. Then your kids get to deal with your medical bills against your estate and you're just dead. 

[brenthutch 383]

48 minutes ago, billvon said:

I've heard the whole "ruining kid's education" thing a bunch of times.  But I see no evidence of it.  

https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/2020/12/14/remote-learning-takes-toll-students-mental-health/6543209002/

“emergency visits and hospital stays for children who thought about or tried to die by suicide have doubled, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics”

You haven’t looked 

[JoeWeber 2,297]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

I've heard the whole "ruining kid's education" thing a bunch of times.  But I see no evidence of it.  I think it's more to do with kids that are driving their parents nuts.

Here we've been remote learning about half the time since the pandemic started.  Right now we are hybrid - some kids staying home, some in school.  Seems to work.  That way parents have the choice of remote or in person learning, and the total present in the (outdoor) classrooms is reduced.  San Diego Unified is doing a more rigid 50/50 - 50% of the time in 'classrooms' (often tents) 50% of the time remote.  No evidence that any education has been "ruined."

But parents are going nuts having their kids home all the time, so they post about how horrible it is  - for the kids.

It could well stunt them socially, however. Possibly not a negative as I now think about it. Nonetheless, kids need to associate their friends or they might grow up thinking everyone else was O.K. and be liberals. 

[JoeWeber 2,297]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

I would say it’s a tie.  The real winners are the citizens and businesses of Florida.  As a reward to Florida my family and I will be pumping thousands of dollars into their economy via amusement parks, restaurants and bars next month.

You're a real inspiration, I must say. Here you are ready to pump thousands and thousands of US dollars into the Florida economy as a reward for letting the right people die when for free you could just take the nippers camping and teach them how to build a lean-to in the snow explaining how the planet is like a thermos: put in hot and you get hot out. Same with cold. 

Edited February 16, 2021 by JoeWeber

[JerryBaumchen 1,047]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

I've heard the whole "ruining kid's education" thing a bunch of times.  But I see no evidence of it.  I think it's more to do with kids that are driving their parents nuts.

Here we've been remote learning about half the time since the pandemic started.  Right now we are hybrid - some kids staying home, some in school.  Seems to work.  That way parents have the choice of remote or in person learning, and the total present in the (outdoor) classrooms is reduced.  San Diego Unified is doing a more rigid 50/50 - 50% of the time in 'classrooms' (often tents) 50% of the time remote.  No evidence that any education has been "ruined."

But parents are going nuts having their kids home all the time, so they post about how horrible it is  - for the kids.

Hi Bill,

Re:   But I see no evidence of it.  I think it's more to do with kids that are driving their parents nuts.

I'm with you.  After all, parents have been home-schooling kids for decades.  I have not seen any real problems with it.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[brenthutch 383]

4 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

You're a real inspiration, I must say. Here you are ready to pump thousands and thousands of US dollars into the Florida economy as a reward for letting the right people die when for free you could just take the nippers camping and teach them how to build a lean-to in the snow explaining how like the planet is like a thermos: put in hot and you get hot out. Same with cold. 

Way too cold up here, not getting any of that global warming.  And it is California NOT Florida that is the COVID death capital of the United States.

[JoeWeber 2,297]

Just now, brenthutch said:

Way too cold up here, not getting any of that global warming.  And it is California NOT Florida that is the COVID death capital of the United States.

Are you driving to Florida just to make a point?