The Second Impeachment of trump

[wolfriverjoe 1,453]

8 minutes ago, Westerly said:

The problem is the mere presence of political parties. There needs to be a constitutional amendment baring the creation or affiliation of any political party by any member of congress. Everyone must be an independent. That would solve a lot of issues overnight.

Please name ONE country that doesn't have any political parties.

[lummy 4]

5 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

What would have happened if the mob breached the room before Pence could escape?
There's a rather nasty part of me that would have loved that. To see Trump's little toady being dragged outside and strung up for failing to worship the Orange Idiot. 

 

Regardless of how I feel about Pence, I'm glad it didn't happen.  Don't forget that the electoral votes were in the Senate chamber and were grabbed by pages.  Can you imagine the constitutional crisis if the insurrectionists burned those votes? Sure they could be replaced, but how long would that take?

[TriGirl 298]

2 hours ago, Westerly said:

The problem is the mere presence of political parties. There needs to be a constitutional amendment baring the creation or affiliation of any political party by any member of congress. Everyone must be an independent. That would solve a lot of issues overnight.

No.  The parties need to take back control over what they claim they represent.  GOP used to be the party of smaller government, fiscal responsibility, states' sovereignty and personal responsibility.  They claimed to be the standards of the law and the Constitution.

Law/Constitution?  197 Republican members of the House just voted against holding the president accountable for his inciting an insurrection.

Personal responsibility?  See above.  Also see Sen. Ted Cruz's comments about Donald Trump 1) during the 2016 primaries, then 2) during the 2016 election, then 3) during this election cycle, and 4) after the insurrection.  

State sovereignty?  How many members of each house still tried to object to the electoral votes of states they did not represent even after the insurrection?  

Fiscal responsibility?  Why is it that the debt grows exponentially in GOP administrations, and either starts to shrink (or at least slows its growth) under DNC administrations?  What's going on there?

(maybe someone else can help me out by filling in the hypocrisy of the smaller government platform)

Bottom line: the GOP allowed Donald Trump to put an "R" behind his name when he filed his candidacy for the nomination, and allowed him to keep it for the second election, even though he violated most of not all of the values the GOP has stood on for decades.  The parties need to enforce their own basic platform to their own members.

[Westerly 61]

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Edited January 14, 2021 by Westerly

[nigel99 277]

5 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Please name ONE country that doesn't have any political parties.

North Korea?

[yoink 321]

2 hours ago, TriGirl said:

No.  The parties need to take back control over what they claim they represent.  GOP used to be the party of smaller government, fiscal responsibility, states' sovereignty and personal responsibility.  They claimed to be the standards of the law and the Constitution.

Law/Constitution?  197 Republican members of the House just voted against holding the president accountable for his inciting an insurrection.

Personal responsibility?  See above.  Also see Sen. Ted Cruz's comments about Donald Trump 1) during the 2016 primaries, then 2) during the 2016 election, then 3) during this election cycle, and 4) after the insurrection.  

State sovereignty?  How many members of each house still tried to object to the electoral votes of states they did not represent even after the insurrection?  

Fiscal responsibility?  Why is it that the debt grows exponentially in GOP administrations, and either starts to shrink (or at least slows its growth) under DNC administrations?  What's going on there?

(maybe someone else can help me out by filling in the hypocrisy of the smaller government platform)

Bottom line: the GOP allowed Donald Trump to put an "R" behind his name when he filed his candidacy for the nomination, and allowed him to keep it for the second election, even though he violated most of not all of the values the GOP has stood on for decades.  The parties need to enforce their own basic platform to their own members.

I said the same to a friend just today. 

In a lot of values I'm pretty conservative. The Republican party doesn't represent conservative values anymore. 

[Erroll 74]

2 hours ago, nigel99 said:

North Korea?

Quote: "While the North Korean constitution formally guarantees protection of human rights, in practice there are severe limits on freedom of expression, and the government closely supervises the lives of North Korean citizens." The constitution defines North Korea as "a dictatorship of people's democracy"^[3] under the leadership of the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK), which is given legal supremacy over other political parties.

[Westerly 61]

3 hours ago, nigel99 said:

North Korea?

 

Edited January 14, 2021 by Westerly

[Westerly 61]

8 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Please name ONE country that doesn't have any political parties.

Easy. I'll name 10. here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_political_parties

Edited January 14, 2021 by Westerly

[obelixtim 127]

22 hours ago, billeisele said:

And your opinion on the months of rioting where many citizens and police officers were killed, businesses looted and burned? You can't decide that one illegal action is punishable while the other is OK. The party of hypocrisy.
YOU are the problem and having you pontificate about moral authority is an absolute joke. 

Classic whataboutery. But but but...Look over there!!!

Wahhhhh!

[obelixtim 127]

And Trump is refusing to pay Rudy for his lawyering work. Delicious. Mind you, its not like Rudy actually won any cases for him. Classic Trump.

But Rudy knows where all the bodies are buried. He has a credibility problem however.

[billeisele 130]

20 hours ago, kallend said:

“Much more will become clear in coming days and weeks, but what we know now is enough.  The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing. None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution.”
Rep. Liz Cheney (R), Wyoming.

Here is your family, enjoy.

[wmw999 2,293]

Memes aren’t helpful - they’re a lazy shorthand for actual analysis. Especially ones with fire in the background. Maybe as humor, maybe as one-sentence commentaries, but not for anything complex.

It frankly speaks more to the “bogeyman” and “doesn’t know her place” attitude that it’s all women, and mostly minority, represented there. 
Wendy P. 
 

[wolfriverjoe 1,453]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

Memes aren’t helpful - they’re a lazy shorthand for actual analysis. Especially ones with fire in the background. Maybe as humor, maybe as one-sentence commentaries, but not for anything complex.

It frankly speaks more to the “bogeyman” and “doesn’t know her place” attitude that it’s all women, and mostly minority, represented there. 
Wendy P. 
 

There's also the fact that the BLM protests were trying to stop cops from murdering black people. 

The insurrection at the Capitol last week was because Trump supporters were mad he lost. 
Or stupid and gullible enough to believe his claim that the election was 'stolen'.

Funny how there was plenty of claims, but when it came to actual proof in a court of law, it came up empty.

[kallend 1,803]

2 hours ago, billeisele said:

Here is your family, enjoy.

Posting photoshopped images doesn't make your case, it just shows how pathetically weak your case is.

[gowlerk 2,072]

21 minutes ago, kallend said:

Posting photoshopped images doesn't make your case, it just shows how pathetically weak your case is.

Trump supporters have weak minds. For them it is all about the feels. Truths are not relevant because they have people to tell them what to believe.

[billvon 2,687]

4 hours ago, billeisele said:

Here is your family, enjoy.

And you're a centrist.  Right.

[piisfish 136]

3 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Trump supporters have weak minds. For them it is all about the feels. 

They are just unleashing their inner snowflake 

[obelixtim 127]

10 hours ago, billeisele said:

Here is your family, enjoy.

Have you sent Trump all your money to fight the election fraud yet? If not, Why not?

[JerryBaumchen 1,243]

Hi Folks,

Jerry Baumchen

[SkyDekker 1,277]

4 hours ago, obelixtim said:

Have you sent Trump all your money to fight the election fraud yet? If not, Why not?

He sent it all to Bannon to build a wall. 

[JoeWeber 2,527]

15 hours ago, billeisele said:

Here is your family, enjoy.

Apparently pretense isn't your strength.

 

[wmw999 2,293]

The thought occurs to me -- where is Ilhan Omar in this latest meme picture? I mean, with that scarf, she's a natural for a "evil-bitch-woman-other" meme, even if BLM isn't her thing.

Wendy P.

[airdvr 201]

11 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Folks,

Jerry Baumchen

Now that's funny right there.

[Phil1111 1,053]

On 1/13/2021 at 5:49 PM, yoink said:

You want to see what Ron’s ‘Patriots’ are saying?

Amazon released a selection of Parler posts as an example of their lack of moderation on the platform.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/13/22228675/amazon-parler-takedown-violent-threats-moderation-content-free-speech
 

Calls to execute police. Teachers. Black and Jews - not just ‘liberal leadership’.

Very fine folk, right? Let the healing begin! Unity for everyone!

 

Fuck RIGHT off. The right wing government we’ve had has done more for extremism, racism and nationalism than any time since the rise of the Nazi party. And no, that’s not a fucking exaggeration.

Every single Republican voter and politician should be saying ‘what we’ve been seeing lately from Trump supporters is unacceptable.’ It’s that simple. There is no whatabout-ism that’s REMOTELY comparable. It’s not an Antifa plot and you know it.

It’s your side behaving like actual, real facists. And yet you won’t disown them.

To try and pass the responsibility on makes you cowards and culpable in the outcome.

 

There are legitimate reasons for the 20,000 armed national guard troops. Four years of incitement.

"Federal prosecutors offered an ominous new assessment of last week’s siege of the U.S. Capitol by President Donald Trump’s supporters on Thursday, saying in a court filing that rioters intended “to capture and assassinate elected officials.”