lummy 4 #151 January 8, 2021 50 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Stories coming out now how Acting Defence Secretary did not allow Virginia National Guards to be deployed as requested by congressional leaders and Virginia Governor. Capitol under siege, coordinated and urged by the president with federal entities refusing backup. Also to be noted that the DC National Guard were controlled by Trump. They were given explicit instructions not to be provided live ammo or riot gear, would not be used to interacti with rioters except in self defense, and could not share equipment with Capitol Police unless specifically approved by the Defense Secretary.. Also, their "quick deploy force" could not be used except as a last resort. Lastly, it was Pence and Pelosi that finally got the NG activated, not Trump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 320 #152 January 8, 2021 so, does this count as using the military in a coup? i would think that if the secretary of defense was involved in preventing the use of troops to secure the building, it would count, but am not a lawyer, thank the gods. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 26 #153 January 8, 2021 3 hours ago, sfzombie13 said: so, does this count as using the military in a coup? i would think that if the secretary of defense was involved in preventing the use of troops to secure the building, it would count, but am not a lawyer, thank the gods. A much smarter, and more knowledgeable person than me (nerdgirl for those who remember her from here) posted on FB that, according to what she could find in the US code, there is no definition of what a coup is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 26 #154 January 8, 2021 4 hours ago, SkyDekker said: Stories coming out now how Acting Defence Secretary did not allow Virginia National Guards to be deployed as requested by congressional leaders and Virginia Governor. Capitol under siege, coordinated and urged by the president with federal entities refusing backup. Do you have a source for that story? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,301 #155 January 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, Remster said: Do you have a source for that story? https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/01/07/maryland-governor-says-pentagon-repeatedly-denied-approval-to-send-national-guard-to-capitol/?sh=12ae14e86cb4 https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/1347364591521701890 https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/national-guard-assistance-requests-denied-capitol-riots/65-e3ad38e5-f574-49d2-bfee-d3f504d7e53f Most of the reporting appears to be on the Maryland side, but doesn't change the concept. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #156 January 9, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, SkyDekker said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/01/07/maryland-governor-says-pentagon-repeatedly-denied-approval-to-send-national-guard-to-capitol/?sh=12ae14e86cb4 https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/1347364591521701890 https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/national-guard-assistance-requests-denied-capitol-riots/65-e3ad38e5-f574-49d2-bfee-d3f504d7e53f Most of the reporting appears to be on the Maryland side, but doesn't change the concept. From what I have read, Virginia NG has a standing mutual aid contract to provide support to DC in times of crisis, whereas Maryland did not have the same support contract in place. As I understand it, Virginia NG did in fact provide support, but only after Pence and Pelosi personally activated them. Members of Congress tried to activate Maryland NG but were stymied by lack of contract and Sec of Def denying support. DC NG which was on scene during the insurrection was not allowed to interact with protestors nor deploy the quick response force due to Secretary of Defense restrictions Edited January 9, 2021 by lummy clarity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,573 #157 January 9, 2021 8 hours ago, lummy said: From what I have read, Virginia NG has a standing mutual aid contract to provide support to DC in times of crisis, whereas Maryland did not have the same support contract in place. As I understand it, Virginia NG did in fact provide support, but only after Pence and Pelosi personally activated them. Members of Congress tried to activate Maryland NG but were stymied by lack of contract and Sec of Def denying support. DC NG which was on scene during the insurrection was not allowed to interact with protestors nor deploy the quick response force due to Secretary of Defense restrictions And now, just to increase your cranial pressure, there is rising concern that Trump will pardon the insurrectionists. DC isn't a State so no state charges would be possible. Wouldn't that be just super. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,321 #158 January 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: And now, just to increase your cranial pressure, there is rising concern that Trump will pardon the insurrectionists. DC isn't a State so no state charges would be possible. Wouldn't that be just super. Who exactly is surprised by this? Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #159 January 9, 2021 1 minute ago, wmw999 said: Who exactly is surprised by this? Wendy P. Just what I was thinking. I was saying he’d do this to some friends on Thursday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,558 #160 January 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: And now, just to increase your cranial pressure, there is rising concern that Trump will pardon the insurrectionists. DC isn't a State so no state charges would be possible. Wouldn't that be just super. Another reason we need the 25th invoked NOW!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,558 #161 January 9, 2021 Draft of the impeachment: https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1347651887764557826/photo/1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,558 #162 January 9, 2021 The upside of impeachment vs 25th Amendment: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/if-trump-is-impeached-and-convicted-hell-lose-his-post-presidency-perks/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #163 January 9, 2021 That combined with jail time would be awesome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 329 #164 January 9, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 12:22 PM, lummy said: If you're on the side of invoking the 25th, would you resign before the term is up creating more chaos , or would you stick around and be a guiding influence? MY opinion is if Chao is resigning now in protest of yesterday, she knows the 25th is off the table My opinion is that Chao and Devos resigned so that they would not have to vote on the 25th. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,275 #165 January 9, 2021 29 minutes ago, headoverheels said: My opinion is that Chao and Devos resigned so that they would not have to vote on the 25th. Hi heels, I'm with you. The R's do not want to take any responsibility as regards Trump. IMO they feel that an impeachment ( if it happens ) would be for the next Congress with the D's in charge; ergo, no responsibility. Jerry Baumchen 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,558 #166 January 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi heels, I'm with you. The R's do not want to take any responsibility as regards Trump. IMO they feel that an impeachment ( if it happens ) would be for the next Congress with the D's in charge; ergo, no responsibility. Jerry Baumchen But an impeachment would mean Trump can't run again, thereby removing the albatross from around their neck, so they can run someone in 2024 who is sane. It is in their longterm interest to help convict him in the senate. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,275 #167 January 9, 2021 Hi folks, Oregonians like to be prepared: 'I had the bear spray and a baseball bat: Oregon Congressman Peter DeFazio recounts Capitol insurrection' ‘I had the bear spray and a baseball bat’: Oregon Congressman Peter DeFazio recounts Capitol insurrection - OPB Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #168 January 9, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ryoder said: But an impeachment would mean Trump can't run again, thereby removing the albatross from around their neck, so they can run someone in 2024 who is sane. It is in their longterm interest to help convict him in the senate. If they can do that while at the same time leaving it all up to the Dems so they don’t have to hang one of their own, so much the better, from their perspective. It needs doing, but once again most of the GOP will shirk any responsibility while benefiting from the outcome. Like I said before, they’re cowards. Edited January 9, 2021 by yoink Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,558 #169 January 9, 2021 Derrick Evans resigns W.Va. House after entering U.S. Capitol with mob https://wvmetronews.com/2021/01/09/derrick-evans-resigns-w-va-house-after-entering-u-s-capitol-with-mob/ Nice to see a perp doing the right thing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #170 January 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, ryoder said: Derrick Evans resigns W.Va. House after entering U.S. Capitol with mob https://wvmetronews.com/2021/01/09/derrick-evans-resigns-w-va-house-after-entering-u-s-capitol-with-mob/ Nice to see a perp doing the right thing I believe he was charged in federal court yesterday for his involvement in the riot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,086 #171 January 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, ryoder said: Derrick Evans resigns W.Va. House after entering U.S. Capitol with mob https://wvmetronews.com/2021/01/09/derrick-evans-resigns-w-va-house-after-entering-u-s-capitol-with-mob/ Nice to see a perp doing the right thing Just now, lummy said: I believe he was charged in federal court yesterday for his involvement in the riot So that would make the right thing pleading guilty to the federal charges. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obelixtim 144 #172 January 10, 2021 (edited) Cunning plan by the FBI. So cunning, you could pin a tail on it, and call it a weasel. Edited January 10, 2021 by obelixtim 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 59 #173 January 10, 2021 I spent most of yesterday viewing videos clearly showing that Antifa not only orchestrated the capitol break-in but may have been assisted by the capitol police. Ashli Babbitt remains a mystery to me. As a military trained individual, she should have known better than to go with the mob during the breach. Also, an affidavit from a supposedly high level attorney in Italy states that evidence exists that servers in that country were used to receive and alter election data. Who knows what that means. Understand this, the body of Christ in America, that is tens of millions of people, are praying that the election fraud will be exposed. Further, the organizing perpetrators will be identified and prosecuted. And finally, that President Trump will rightfully retain his second term. If that does not happen, we will unite in prayer against the evil that will be the Biden administration. This is spiritual warfare! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,833 #174 January 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, RonD1120 said: I spent most of yesterday viewing videos clearly showing that Antifa not only orchestrated the capitol break-in but may have been assisted by the capitol police. Ashli Babbitt remains a mystery to me. As a military trained individual, she should have known better than to go with the mob during the breach. More evidence of a total lack of critical thinking skills. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 869 #175 January 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, RonD1120 said: I spent most of yesterday viewing videos clearly showing that Antifa not only orchestrated the capitol break-in but may have been assisted by the capitol police. Ashli Babbitt remains a mystery to me. As a military trained individual, she should have known better than to go with the mob during the breach. Also, an affidavit from a supposedly high level attorney in Italy states that evidence exists that servers in that country were used to receive and alter election data. Who knows what that means. Understand this, the body of Christ in America, that is tens of millions of people, are praying that the election fraud will be exposed. Further, the organizing perpetrators will be identified and prosecuted. And finally, that President Trump will rightfully retain his second term. If that does not happen, we will unite in prayer against the evil that will be the Biden administration. This is spiritual warfare! I don't know how to split up the pie as far as what percentage this is amusing vs concerning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites