History in the making

[jakee 1,254]

2 hours ago, sfzombie13 said:

have you ever heard of rehabilitation?  you know, the thing they always say they're going for in prison?  i am here to tell you that people do change, and often.  avoiding federal charges is one way to get scared straight.  i used to be a bad person, but have changed dramatically.  does that mean i am still bad?

So you’re saying once a rat, not always a rat? Interesting.

 

2 hours ago, sfzombie13 said:

if your position is that people cannot change their habits or actions, i'm done here.  i can't stand wasting my time on people who can't be bothered to think.

That was quite literally your stated position. How much thinking did you do about it?

[sfzombie13 307]

3 hours ago, jakee said:

So you’re saying once a rat, not always a rat? Interesting.

 

That was quite literally your stated position. How much thinking did you do about it?

a lot actually.  he could have changed, but from the article and denying it ever happened, didn't.  i would never trust him again NOT to be a rat.  and now due to his own admissions, i would never believe he is telling the truth, unless he proved a change rather well in the future. 

this is hard to clarify. 

the reason this guy is always a rat is that he has shown that he still lies, as he did in the article when he said he had never been a rat.  anyone else would get a fair shot also, based on their actions now, not their past.  people can change, or they can stay the same.  everyone should be judged on a case by case basis, not as a group.  i know lots of criminals who came out of jail and didn't go back or do anything illegal again.  i also know lots who did, or didn't change at all. 

you guys need to realize that there is no black and white in real life, or very few instances.  i can have the view i stated without contradicting myself.  this guy was and always will be a rat.  he would have to prove it awfully thoroughly if he ever does change. 

i guess i need to clarify my last thought also.  if you think in black and white, i am done here.  i have no time for that type of disability.

 

[jakee 1,254]

1 minute ago, sfzombie13 said:

a lot actually.  he could have changed, but from the article and denying it ever happened, didn't.  i would never trust him again NOT to be a rat.  and now due to his own admissions, i would never believe he is telling the truth, unless he proved a change rather well in the future. 

So when someone is a criminal, we have to assume they could have changed, but when someone is a criminal who hekped bring other criminals to justice - well then he needs to prove to you that he's changed otherwise you'll never trust him ever?

It seems odd that those are the order of your priorities.

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if you think in black and white, i am done here.  i have no time for that type of disability.

Right. So you can make a simple black and white statement and we all need to trust that you didn't actually mean it as a black and white statement, you actually meant something different and more nuanced. But if you think someone else has made a black and white statement, well fuck that guy! You have no time at all for those people, and that's your position in black and white. Right?

[sfzombie13 307]

2 minutes ago, jakee said:

So when someone is a criminal, we have to assume they could have changed, but when someone is a criminal who hekped bring other criminals to justice - well then he needs to prove to you that he's changed otherwise you'll never trust him ever?

It seems odd that those are the order of your priorities.

Right. So you can make a simple black and white statement and we all need to trust that you didn't actually mean it as a black and white statement, you actually meant something different and more nuanced. But if you think someone else has made a black and white statement, well fuck that guy! You have no time at all for those people, and that's your position in black and white. Right?

you need to rethink you're reading comprehension.  i never once said anything about criminals or anyone else, just this guy, in this situation.  i'm not at odds with anything, and you can play all the word games you want, but that changes nothing. 

i did not make a black and white statement, i said that if you think in black and white i don't have time for you.  that has nothing to do with one or the other, it has to do with my limits of engagement with close-minded people.  the thing i like most about this place is the differing views i get. 

there are very few people who think like me, and even fewer who have the kind of patience to explain it.  i can have some seemingly contradictory views, but i assure you, it is the result of years of experience with people of all classes, mostly shady people.  lots of statements can be black and white, most have exceptions though.  one i can think of with none is child porn.  not many that i can't excuse, but this is one.  even that has extenuating circumstances though and should never have a zero tolerance with no exception policy. 

[mistercwood 287]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Right?

Jakee I don't know if you're aware but there is nothing in the forum rules that says you have to fight literally everyone. I went and looked, just to be sure, and it's definitely not in there.

[jakee 1,254]

1 hour ago, sfzombie13 said:

you need to rethink you're reading comprehension.  i never once said anything about criminals or anyone else, just this guy, in this situation.  i'm not at odds with anything, and you can play all the word games you want, but that changes nothing. 

No, you said 'Once a rat, always a rat'. You can play all the word games you want, but that is a black and white statement. I can accept that you have no clarified that you didn't mean it to be black and white, however you really should then rethink your black and white stance of having no time for anyone who you think has made a single black and white statement, don't you think?

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there are very few people who think like me, and even fewer who have the kind of patience to explain it.

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were so special. In that case, carry on.

[sfzombie13 307]

13 minutes ago, jakee said:

No, you said 'Once a rat, always a rat'. You can play all the word games you want, but that is a black and white statement. I can accept that you have no clarified that you didn't mean it to be black and white, however you really should then rethink your black and white stance of having no time for anyone who you think has made a single black and white statement, don't you think?

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were so special. In that case, carry on.

yes, it is rather black and white.  i also meant it.  i also think that anyone who thinks only in terms of black and white is stupid.  all three exist, at the same time, in the same head, logically.  as far as the last part, what the hell did you think the sf was for, san fransisco?  it means special forces.  i am special, now piss off.  or not.  it's a big internet, and you're grown, do what you want.

[jakee 1,254]

38 minutes ago, sfzombie13 said:

yes, it is rather black and white.  i also meant it.  i also think that anyone who thinks only in terms of black and white is stupid.  all three exist, at the same time, in the same head, logically.  

Anyone who thinks only in black and white? Do you honestly think it's even possible for such a person to exist, or have you just not bothered to think about it at all?

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as far as the last part, what the hell did you think the sf was for, san fransisco?  it means special forces. 

Wow! Do you want a cookie?

[ryoder 1,380]

1 hour ago, mistercwood said:

Jakee I don't know if you're aware but there is nothing in the forum rules that says you have to fight literally everyone. I went and looked, just to be sure, and it's definitely not in there.

LOL!

He reminds me of a rat terrier that vigorously continues shaking a rat long after the rat has expired. But he does provide a service in attacking the bullshit from people on my Ignore List, who I don't have the time to waste on reading, let alone answering.

[jakee 1,254]

2 minutes ago, ryoder said:

He reminds me of a rat terrier that vigorously continues shaking a rat long after the rat has expired. 

Terriers are cute. I'll take it!

[RonD1120 58]

11 hours ago, sfzombie13 said:

i trust most criminals much more than almost any politicians, for example.  at least criminals are mainly just regular folks, while most politicians are scum.

 

Edited January 28, 2021 by RonD1120

[JoeWeber 2,294]

39 minutes ago, ryoder said:

LOL!

He reminds me of a rat terrier that vigorously continues shaking a rat long after the rat has expired. But he does provide a service in attacking the bullshit from people on my Ignore List, who I don't have the time to waste on reading, let alone answering.

That's jakee to a T. He never posts a topic of his own to defend but man can he find fault with how anyone says a thing. I often wonder what grade he teaches.

[jakee 1,254]

7 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

That's jakee to a T. He never posts a topic of his own to defend but man can he find fault with how anyone says a thing. 

I can find fault with this. I do sometimes post topics, but because they'd usually be about UK politics no-one really cares. However, if you are being honest instead of just trying to find fault with how I post you'd admit that I do post and defend my political opinions on a regular basis.

[kallend 1,620]

On 1/28/2021 at 3:30 PM, mistercwood said:

Jakee I don't know if you're aware but there is nothing in the forum rules that says you have to fight literally everyone. I went and looked, just to be sure, and it's definitely not in there.

I am not aware that he attacks those who refrain from posting bullshit.

But if you are a BS merchant, be sure that he will not let it pass,

[mistercwood 287]

19 minutes ago, kallend said:

I am not aware that he attacks those who refrain from posting bullshit.

But if you are a BS merchant, be sure that he will not let it pass,

Generally I agree with you but the last two just seemed to be picking fights over semantics for the purpose of picking fights. Seemed an incredible waste of energy, but everyone gets to post how they see fit, so...  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[JoeWeber 2,294]

17 hours ago, jakee said:

I can find fault with this. I do sometimes post topics, but because they'd usually be about UK politics no-one really cares. However, if you are being honest instead of just trying to find fault with how I post you'd admit that I do post and defend my political opinions on a regular basis.

Well, of course you can find fault with that or anything else. That's your schtick. Then you attack the posters honesty, in keeping with your technique, followed by asking for an admission or an apology for, apparently, whatever comes to your mind at the moment. Rinse, wash, repeat.

[kallend 1,620]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Well, of course you can find fault with that or anything else. That's your schtick. Then you attack the posters honesty, in keeping with your technique, followed by asking for an admission or an apology for, apparently, whatever comes to your mind at the moment. Rinse, wash, repeat.

Threads have been locked for less.

 

[JoeWeber 2,294]

8 hours ago, kallend said:

Threads have been locked for less.

 

Oh, Professor, relax. We're having an adult conversation. Every post can't be reduced to a canned one liner and a gif, you know.

[Phil1111 908]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Oh, Professor, relax. We're having an adult conversation. Every post can't be reduced to a canned one liner and a gif, you know.

Are you sure? Its worked for you 509 times!

[JoeWeber 2,294]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Are you sure? Its worked for you 509 times!

Someone needs to make it 510, you know.........

[kallend 1,620]

5 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Oh, Professor, relax. We're having an adult conversation. Every post can't be reduced to a canned one liner and a gif, you know.

Sometimes a one liner gets the message across better than a multi page dissertation.

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

20 minutes ago, kallend said:

Sometimes a one liner gets the message across better than a multi page dissertation.

Not to those who don't listen.

It's just less work that will be ignored.

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,046]

20 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Not to those who don't listen.

It's just less work that will be ignored.

 

Hi Joe,

Re:  Not to those who don't listen.

That's their fault.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,294]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

Sometimes a one liner gets the message across better than a multi page dissertation.

Sounds like something you learned from a student.

[kallend 1,620]

59 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Sounds like something you learned from a student.

Doesn't sound like anything.