Firearm salesman of the century

[brenthutch 383]

Biden easily passes Obama as the politician responsible for record gun sales.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view

[billvon 2,396]

20 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Biden easily passes Obama as the politician responsible for record gun sales.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view

But . . . but .  . . Obama was going to "grab our guns!"  That's why everyone was buying guns.  Now gun manufacturers are trying the same thing again?

Are republicans that gullible?

[yoink 321]

My gun-store owning father is a staunch Republican. 

 

I've no idea why - he makes an absolute KILLING whenever a democratic president is elected. When Obama was in power they were having to have facebook raffles for the ammo, the demand was so high. The last 4 years have been fine but I'm certain he'll have a busy new year, even though nothing will change.

[Phil1111 910]

1 minute ago, billvon said:

But . . . but .  . . Obama was going to "grab our guns!"  That's why everyone was buying guns.  Now gun manufacturers are trying the same thing again?

Are republicans that gullible?

Apparently. Because this whole story/thread is FAKE NEWS!  The NSSF is the US firearms industry trade group. It stated:

"2020 has been unlike any other year for firearm purchases—particularly by first-time buyers—as new NSSF^® research reveals millions of people chose to purchase their first gun during the COVID-19 pandemic....Thanks in large part to the work done by NSSF’s legislative team, the firearms industry was deemed essential in most states, and firearm retailers were allowed to stay open to conduct business. And conduct business they did, with NSSF-adjusted NICS figures showing year-over-year increases of 80 percent in March and 69 percent in April 2020."

So fear, trump and the NRA was responsible. Thanks Brent.

[brenthutch 383]

29 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Apparently. Because this whole story/thread is FAKE NEWS!  The NSSF is the US firearms industry trade group. It stated:

"2020 has been unlike any other year for firearm purchases—particularly by first-time buyers—as new NSSF^® research reveals millions of people chose to purchase their first gun during the COVID-19 pandemic....Thanks in large part to the work done by NSSF’s legislative team, the firearms industry was deemed essential in most states, and firearm retailers were allowed to stay open to conduct business. And conduct business they did, with NSSF-adjusted NICS figures showing year-over-year increases of 80 percent in March and 69 percent in April 2020."

So fear, trump and the NRA was responsible. Thanks Brent.

No, it was BLM, ANTIFA, “defund the police” and Biden’s pledge to confiscate sporting rifles and standard capacity magazines.  If it was Trump, sales would not have skyrocketed AFTER the election.

[Phil1111 910]

9 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

No, it was BLM, ANTIFA, “defund the police” and Biden’s pledge to confiscate sporting rifles and standard capacity magazines.  If it was Trump, sales would not have skyrocketed AFTER the election.

"The researchers also show there was no statistical difference in the surge in background checks between Republican-leaning and Democrat-leaning states. This differs from November months during election years and months following mass shootings. Following these events, background checks increased significantly more in Republican states due to uncertainty about changes to gun laws, a subject of great concern to many Republican party members. These findings reinforced the idea that firearm enthusiasts worried about changes in gun policies were not driving the increased sales in 2020."

"President Donald Trump—after a lobbying blitz from gun rights groups—issued guidance that gun shops should be considered essential businesses and allowed to remain open, even as states were forcing other retailers to close their doors in an effort to slow the spread of the virus. Many state governors complied, and some even reversed previous orders to have gun stores closed, citing Trump’s guidance. The National Rifle Association filed lawsuits against local jurisdictions that forced gun stores to shut down, including the states of New York and New Mexico and two counties in California."

This is the type of fearmongering that the NRA is best known for.Covid = unrest = fear so buy a nice little full auto.

[brenthutch 383]

So even Dems are smart enough to be able to take steps to protect themselves when their local government will not.  It is the municipalities in the hands of the Democrats that are burning.  70+million Republicans were disappointed in the election, cities burned = zero.

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

35 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

No, it was BLM, ANTIFA, “defund the police” and Biden’s pledge to confiscate sporting rifles and standard capacity magazines.  If it was Trump, sales would not have skyrocketed AFTER the election.

That's fucking hilarious.

George Floyd was murdered at the end of May.

There were no BLM protests, Antifa or calls to 'defund the police' in March or April.

The sales skyrocketed in early spring because a LOT of people were freaking out about the pandemic. Fears about social unrest. Ron's "SHTF". 
When gun stores were declared 'essential', there were huge lines at them. But in March & April.

I won't deny that I was concerned about societal breakdown. If the death rates had been higher, if the spread had been wider, if a few other things had gone a lot worse, it could have gotten very ugly. 

And, of course, the NRA was 'crying wolf' again about how Biden & Harris were going to come and 'take the guns away'. So, as it became more and more clear that Biden was likely to win, sales went way up. 

[brenthutch 383]

20 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

That's fucking hilarious.

George Floyd was murdered at the end of May.

There were no BLM protests, Antifa or calls to 'defund the police' in March or April.

The sales skyrocketed in early spring because a LOT of people were freaking out about the pandemic. Fears about social unrest. Ron's "SHTF". 
When gun stores were declared 'essential', there were huge lines at them. But in March & April.

I won't deny that I was concerned about societal breakdown. If the death rates had been higher, if the spread had been wider, if a few other things had gone a lot worse, it could have gotten very ugly. 

And, of course, the NRA was 'crying wolf' again about how Biden & Harris were going to come and 'take the guns away'. So, as it became more and more clear that Biden was likely to win, sales went way up. 

Not the NRA, this is right off of the Biden Harris website.

”As president, Biden will:

Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.  Joe Biden will enact legislation to once again ban assault weapons. This time, the bans will be designed based on lessons learned from the 1994 bans. For example, the ban on assault weapons will be designed to prevent manufacturers from circumventing (AKA abiding by) the law by making minor changes that don’t limit the weapon’s lethality. While working to pass this legislation, Biden will also use his executive authority to ban the importation of assault weapons. 

Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. Currently, the National Firearms Act requires individuals possessing machine-guns, silencers, and short-barreled rifles to undergo a background check and register those weapons with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Due to these requirements, such weapons are rarely used in crimes. As president, Biden will pursue legislation to regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. 

Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities. Biden will also institute a program to buy back weapons of war currently on our streets. This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act”

So is Biden lying to you or is he lying to me?

BTW the vast majority of firearms sold in the US are semiautomatics with high (AKA standard) capacity magazines.

Edited December 4, 2020 by brenthutch

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

Pfft. They may want to do that.
But I doubt it will happen.
Even if the Ds take the Senate (with the GA runoffs), I doubt they'll be willing to spend the political capital to get it done. They have other priorities, and not losing control will be one of them. 

When Obama couldn't even get a gun control bill onto the Senate floor in 2013, it was pretty clear that it wasn't likely to happen. Ever.

Even though the NRA is in serious trouble, politicians aren't likely to forget 1996. 

Gun owners have a lot of political clout for the same reasons old folks do.
They pay attention to what they care about and they vote.

[brenthutch 383]

9 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Pfft. They may want to do that.
But I doubt it will happen.
Even if the Ds take the Senate (with the GA runoffs), I doubt they'll be willing to spend the political capital to get it done. 

So they are just pandering to their sheep?

 

Edited December 4, 2020 by brenthutch

[Phil1111 910]

26 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Not the NRA, ...

So is Biden lying to you or is he lying to me?

BTW the vast majority of firearms sold in the US are semiautomatics with high (AKA standard) capacity magazines.

Once again the GOP, the NRA prove that the will of Americans is trumped by the minority of the gun lobby.

[JoeWeber 2,299]

4 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Biden easily passes Obama as the politician responsible for record gun sales.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view

And this speaks to what?

[Guest]

3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

And this speaks to what?

That "A socialist is only a communist who hasn't taken all the guns yet." I think what bothers me most about the left is the unendingly contemptuous and disparaging way in which lawful firearms owners are characterized (one need only see a David Horsey political cartoon. In his cartoons, gun owners are ALWAYS portrayed as psychopathic yahoos, barely in control of themselves). And let's not forget Obammy's immortal words about "clinging to their guns and their religion". Such canards only serve to make conservatives dig their heels in even more because they've seen the outcome in history when people are made defenseless. I'm not talking about Nazi fucking Germany or the Soviet fucking Union, either. Try Los fucking Angeles in 1993, or any single mother defending herself from a stalker.

That said, with rights come duties. If one is going to own boomsticks, I believe that one must demonstrate the ability to handle them safely and responsibly. Unfortunately, I see an eerie parallel between the championing of gun-owner's rights with those of illegal aliens. In either case, it seems to be something that we're forced to put up with for a greater good. I find both distasteful.

Last remark: any firearms enthusiast who tells you that Switzerland has liberal gun laws and attempts to hold it as an example to be emulated is grossly misinformed.

[brenthutch 383]

9 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Once again the GOP, the NRA prove that the will of Americans is trumped by the minority of the gun lobby.

Those guys and a little something I like to call the 2nd Amendment.

[brenthutch 383]

8 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

And this speaks to what?

The irony.  The party that wants to limit access to certain types of weapons being responsible for the sale of millions of those weapons.

[JoeWeber 2,299]

4 hours ago, markharju said:

That "A socialist is only a communist who hasn't taken all the guns yet." I think what bothers me most about the left is the unendingly contemptuous and disparaging way in which lawful firearms owners are characterized (one need only see a David Horsey political cartoon. In his cartoons, gun owners are ALWAYS portrayed as psychopathic yahoos, barely in control of themselves). And let's not forget Obammy's immortal words about "clinging to their guns and their religion". Such canards only serve to make conservatives dig their heels in even more because they've seen the outcome in history when people are made defenseless. I'm not talking about Nazi fucking Germany or the Soviet fucking Union, either. Try Los fucking Angeles in 1993, or any single mother defending herself from a stalker.

That said, with rights come duties. If one is going to own boomsticks, I believe that one must demonstrate the ability to handle them safely and responsibly. Unfortunately, I see an eerie parallel between the championing of gun-owner's rights with those of illegal aliens. In either case, it seems to be something that we're forced to put up with for a greater good. I find both distasteful.

Last remark: any firearms enthusiast who tells you that Switzerland has liberal gun laws and attempts to hold it as an example to be emulated is grossly misinformed.

With this: "That said, with rights come duties. If one is going to own boomsticks, I believe that one must demonstrate the ability to handle them safely and responsibly." you effectively place yourself left of center on guns. With this: "Unfortunately, I see an eerie parallel between the championing of gun-owner's rights with those of illegal aliens." You once again peg the WTF-o-meter on number 9.  With this: "Obammy's" you simply once again confirm a very sad fact. 

[JoeWeber 2,299]

4 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

The irony.  The party that wants to limit access to certain types of weapons being responsible for the sale of millions of those weapons.

Nope. It speaks to the excellence of irrational fear as a marketing tool. 

[brenthutch 383]

7 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Nope. It speaks to the excellence of irrational fear as a marketing tool. 

Is it irrational to believe that Biden will do what he promised to do?  It is right there on his website.  

Edited December 4, 2020 by brenthutch

[wmw999 2,121]

There are goals and there are aspirations. Given that virtually every poll that doesn't target NRA members says that more people are in favor of some more restrictions than are for more loosening, it's not surprising that it'd be there. Along with eliminating our carbon footprint.

Where and how these things appear on an actual to-do list remains a matter for actual possibility. I have "hike the Appalachian" on my to-do list; doesn't mean I'll get to it all, but I've completed about 400 miles so far.

Wendy P.

[JoeWeber 2,299]

20 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Is it irrational to believe that Biden will do what he promised to do?  It is right there on his website.  

No, it's not. But it is irrational to believe that any limits or regulations on guns will always and ultimately lead to confiscation of all guns followed by serfdom in a world where liberal elites jam their ill conceived socialist agenda down our throats. 

I have no problem being denied AR-15's with high capacity magazines that I can convert to full automatic. I have no need for one and further believe the reason I don't need one is because they'll never need me for the militia as long as we have our fancy Trillion Dollar a year Army. I also don't believe that limitation will further develop into a situation where my shotguns are confiscated and the gophers get the upper hand. I have zero problem with people like you who are trained and have vast experience with military weapons owning what you want. You're only a part of the problem because you fear the camels nose.

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I have no problem being denied AR-15's with high capacity magazines that I can convert to full automatic.

Hah - You make it seem so effortless - good luck doing that. Edit: It can be done but not on a receiver that isn't designed for it, no gunsmith will do the work, the FFA tax must be paid, yadda yadda yadda. Easier to import a ChiCom AK via Mexico, with no trace. Just sayin'.

Edited December 4, 2020 by Guest

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

"... it is irrational to believe that any limits or regulations on guns will always and ultimately lead to confiscation of all guns followed by serfdom in a world where liberal elites jam their ill conceived socialist agenda down our throats."

What makes you think it's irrational? It's happened in other places, like Germany in the 1930s. Think it can't happen in the USA? THINK AGAIN. IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE.

I have no need for one and further believe the reason I don't need one is because they'll never need me for the militia as long as we have our fancy Trillion Dollar a year Army.

It's the Bill of Rights, not the bill of needs. Don't like guns? DON'T OWN ONE.

Don't think militias can hold off armies? Two words: VIET CONG

 

[Phil1111 910]

3 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

No, it's not. But it is irrational to believe that any limits or regulations on guns will always and ultimately lead to confiscation of all guns followed by serfdom in a world where liberal elites jam their ill conceived socialist agenda down our throats. 

I have no problem being denied AR-15's with high capacity magazines that I can convert to full automatic. I have no need for one and further believe the reason I don't need one is because they'll never need me for the militia as long as we have our fancy Trillion Dollar a year Army. I also don't believe that limitation will further develop into a situation where my shotguns are confiscated and the gophers get the upper hand. I have zero problem with people like you who are trained and have vast experience with military weapons owning what you want. You're only a part of the problem because you fear the camels nose.

IMO training is a smaller segment of the issue. I would have no issue with Brent owning the aforementioned full auto AR as long as his mental stability precludes misuse. With Brent's training should he decide to kill as many people as possible. He could likely formulate a plan to do so without guns. The problem with high capacity magazines and mental instability is that dangerous public outcomes are far more lethal.

Western countries have kept high capacity magazines and more lethal guns under tight restrictions. The US hasn't. Thats why in France there are knife attacks instead of mass killings. In Germany vehicular assaults. In Canada attacks with lever action rifles and not the AR with 30-60 round mags.

There seems to be an acceptance that the will of the majority will be defeated by the gun lobby during Biden's administration. Brent objection noted. That may change with the next mass shooting. Which seems overdue given US history. What won't likely change is the power of the gun lobby in the US.

[Phil1111 910]

9 minutes ago, markharju said:

"... it is irrational to believe that any limits or regulations on guns will always and ultimately lead to confiscation of all guns followed by serfdom in a world where liberal elites jam their ill conceived socialist agenda down our throats."

What makes you think it's irrational? It's happened in other places, like Germany in the 1930s. Think it can't happen in the USA? THINK AGAIN. IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE.

I have no need for one and further believe the reason I don't need one is because they'll never need me for the militia as long as we have our fancy Trillion Dollar a year Army.

It's the Bill of Rights, not the bill of needs. Don't like guns? DON'T OWN ONE.

Don't think militias can hold off armies? Two words: VIET CONG

Your logic, your misuse of historical perspective is so fatally flawed as to defy reasonable response.