for which crimes, if any, should Trump be prosecuted?

[piisfish 135]

His hairscaper and face paint artist should be prosecuted too. 

[brenthutch 383]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

Politicians being genuinely accountable to the law instead of existing in a class above it is for the good of the country.

No, going to prison would be more humiliating.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but nobody is going to prison.

[brenthutch 383]

8 hours ago, yoink said:

He should be prosecuted for any crime, that is, an action he's taken which has supposedly broken a law as determined by an impartial judicial force.

Whether it's in office as the president, related to his business or to election tampering, or anything else. He should be held accountable to exactly the same fucking standards as every other American. No get-out-of-jail free card.

 

What crimes?  Collusion?  We spent two years and millions of dollars only to find nothing.  Perjury? No, that was Bill Clinton.  Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or materials, as well as State Department protocols and procedures, and regulations governing record keeping? No, that would be HRC.

Edited November 20, 2020 by brenthutch

[wmw999 2,116]

2 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

What crimes?  

That would be up to a district attorney to determine the charge, and up to the court/judge/jury to judge.

Wendy P.

[jakee 1,254]

17 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Sorry to bust your bubble, but nobody is going to prison.

Way to non-sequitur bro. Sorry to burst your bubble but Biden isn't pardoning him.

[jakee 1,254]

11 hours ago, brenthutch said:

I was joking about the apology.  In all seriousness, if Trump was a guilty as many wish him to be, he will be convicted as easily as HRC was. 

If he is guilty he'll be convicted as easily as someone who isn't guilty and wasn't convicted? How did that seem like a coherent point to you?

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We need to stop criminalizing our political differences. 

No one is. But you are trying to bestow immunity on your political fellows.

[jakee 1,254]

9 hours ago, brenthutch said:

What crap? Do you mean the crap like Hunter Biden pulled? 

No, nothing like that. Hunter, all on his own, leveraged his name to take advantage of a couple of business opportunites presented to him with no active help or involvement of his dad. It may be distasteful and you might be jealous of him but there's nothing legally wrong with it, and certainly nothing from the President-Elect, the guy who's actually relevant.

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Or do you mean the real nasty stuff done by the Clinton Foundation? Or are you so blind/gullible/obtuse that you can’t see the similarities?

What nasty stuff done by the Clinton foundation? If you're so far down the Republican misinformation rabbit hole that you're falling for the old 'they all do the same thing' line there's really no helping you. It'd be good for you if you could recognise you're just a useful stooge for the republican elite, but I don't hold out much hope.

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11 hours ago, brenthutch said:

What crap? Do you mean the crap like Hunter Biden pulled?  Or do you mean the real nasty stuff done by the Clinton Foundation? Or are you so blind/gullible/obtuse that you can’t see the similarities?

If Hunter Biden and the Clinton foundation did so much 'Nasty Stuff', why didn't Trump's pet, AG Barr, go after them? Is he so incompetent that he can't convict them of crimes? Or is it that he can't convict them for stuff they DIDN'T DO?

Besides, the "Biden Ukraine" story was largely Russian propaganda.

The Trump Foundation was largely shut down. A judge ruled that NONE  of the Trump's (Donald or the brats) could have anything to do with it...

Or any other charity. 

I'd bet there would have been criminal charges against Trump, had he not been in office.

But you keep on pretending that it's the same thing.

[Phil1111 908]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

No, ...you're so far down the Republican misinformation rabbit hole that you're falling for the old 'they all do the same thing' line there's really no helping you. It'd be good for you if you could recognise you're just a useful stooge for the republican elite, but I don't hold out much hope.

This. Brent,markharju and Ron are like the other 80% of GOP voters that believe the conspiracy b.s.

Edited November 20, 2020 by Phil1111

[brenthutch 383]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

This. Brent,markharju and Ron are like the other 80% of GOP voters that believe the conspiracy b.s.

Not conspiracy theories, influenced peddling.  Or did Hunter Get tens of millions of dollars because he was an oil and gas expert?

[jakee 1,254]

12 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Not conspiracy theories, influenced peddling.  Or did Hunter Get tens of millions of dollars because he was an oil and gas expert?

No, he got it because some people thought they could use him to influence his dad. So what? Since, unlike the Trump clan, his dad had given him neither a position in government nor control over any part of his private financial dealings there was nothing illegal about Hunter taking the job and the money. And since he didn’t in any way influence his dad, there is no suggestion of anything shady or unethical on the part of the relevant person in the story, President Elect Biden.

Edited November 20, 2020 by jakee

[brenthutch 383]

7 minutes ago, jakee said:

No, he got it because some people thought they could use him to influence his dad.  And since he didn’t in any way influence his dad, 

Ya, right.  

[jakee 1,254]

2 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Ya, right.  

Yeah, right

[billvon 2,380]

6 hours ago, jakee said:

Politicians being genuinely accountable to the law instead of existing in a class above it is for the good of the country.

No, going to prison would be more humiliating.

There's a possibility we will see both.  Biden can pardon him for federal crimes - but cannot do anything about the New York State charges.

[billvon 2,380]

14 minutes ago, jakee said:

No, he got it because some people thought they could use him to influence his dad. 

Exactly.  Same reason Kushner got hundreds of millions from a Qatari-backed fund.  He didn't get the loan, Trump supported sanctions against Qatar, they folded and gave him the loan, Trump stopped supporting sanctions.  

(Except in this case the Ukranians didn't get anything for their money - which made them mad.)

[wmw999 2,116]

11 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Ya, right.  

Any actual evidence of any successful influence? Our failing to bomb Ukraine into the stone age doesn't count as influence.

Wendy P.

[billvon 2,380]

14 minutes ago, jakee said:

No, he got it because some people thought they could use him to influence his dad. 

Exactly.  Same reason Kushner got hundreds of millions from a Qatari-backed fund.  He didn't get the loan, Trump supported sanctions against Qatar, they folded and gave him the loan, Trump stopped supporting sanctions.  

(Except in this case the Ukranians didn't get anything for their money - which made them mad.)

[Phil1111 908]

50 minutes ago, jakee said:

Yeah, right

The wabbit hole, the wabbit hole, the wabbit hole. You're getting sucked down it.

trump and the GOP had every opportunity to prosecute, to investigate any wrongdoing. They refused to do so. The only evidence of monies received by Hunter were a monthly salary which varied and never exceeded $50,000 a month. The "millions", "$3.5 million" were never substantiated by anyone. Including Rudy Giuliani when he was running around Ukraine while Ukraine was currying favor with trump. While Ukraine was trying to get a arms deal concluded. While the oil and gas company was in bankruptcy and under investigation. While Ukrainian investigators were investigating it.

None of this matters to trump supporters. I've got to follow my string back to the surface because I think this hole is too deep already. Back at the surface, I see the sky.

Wait there's another dog whistle....Hillary....Hillary...Benghazi... Distractions and rabbit holes to distract.

[CygnusX-1 42]

I want to see the first person ever get secret service protection in prison.

Hal: Bob, what are you doing tomorrow?

Bob: I get to spend my day in prison.

[SkyDekker 1,120]

Personally I am hoping Hunter Biden gets a role in the White House.

[headoverheels 291]

10 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Personally I am hoping Hunter Biden gets a role in the White House.

Ambassador to the Ukraine?

 

[airdvr 197]

You guys on the left thinking trump will be charged are as funny as the right thinking he has a chance to overturn the election.

[billvon 2,380]

10 minutes ago, airdvr said:

You guys on the left thinking trump will be charged are as funny as the right thinking he has a chance to overturn the election.

By all means keep laughing.  

How's that rape/slander trial going?

 

[brenthutch 383]

5 hours ago, billvon said:

By all means keep laughing.  

How's that rape/slander trial going?

 

Just what charges are you guys talking about?  You seem to be as confident in Trumps criminality, as you were with his collusion with the Russians.  How did that work out for you?  Being a mindless, egomaniacal, douchebag while being reprehensible is not illegal.

[obelixtim 100]

If Trump were pardoned he would claim it as total exoneration. As he did with the Russian investigation. 

I have a feeling Mueller may have held something back and we may hear more about  That after Trump loses the protection of the presidency. 

 As for the GOP controlled Senate finding him not guilty, that is like the foxes judging and finding no case to answer for the great chicken coop massacre.

McConnell squashed any chance of impeachment even before the hearings began.