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Who will win the 2020 election?

Trump or Biden?   

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  1. 1. Who do you think will win the election 2020? Not who you want to win, but the one you think will win.

    • Trump
      17
    • Biden
      25
    • Election?
      1
  2. 2. Who do you want to win the election 2020

    • Trump
      11
    • Biden
      31
    • Election?
      1

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  • Poll closed on 11/03/2020 at 09:20 AM

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Just now, Westerly said:

But a higher court can easily overrule it and all it takes is one court in a series to throw something out.

Yes. I think their hail marry is that somehow one of these cases goes all the way through to the Supreme Court.
But even without this, a single ruling in their favor, even if later thrown out will be enough for them to be able to claim that there is real truth to the cases (all of them) and that it's the deep state and the activist judges, who are ruling against them.

BTW: Does anyone remember how Bush vs. Gore was able to make its way all the way to the Supreme court in what must have been a matter of days?

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4 minutes ago, mbohu said:


But even without this, a single ruling in their favor, even if later thrown out will be enough for them to be able to claim that there is real truth to the cases (all of them) and that it's the deep state and the activist judges, who are ruling against them.

 

Dont they already claim all that crap? Anyway, they can claim whatever they want. Claims dont determine presidents, votes do.

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48 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I was thinking that for Biden's acceptance speech to the nation, should he win, he might want to quote Gerald Ford:

Now we all know that isn't really true, but tossing out Trump is one hell of a good start.   

Roger that, Robert. Tossing Trump was the prize. The Senate would have been the Lottery. Once he's out, and he isn't yet, the goal must be steam rollering the asshole in state courts until he's as thin as Kamala's favorite dosa. (my favorite is just outside the train station in Jaipur if you don't read my food blog)  It must be so or we'll see him nightly on Fox with Palin's old job arguing with free airtime for a second chance in 2024. With the Senate in McConnell's hands that will be the only real chance of lasting victory over Trumpism.

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1 minute ago, Westerly said:

Dont they already claim all that crap? Anyway, they can claim whatever they want. Claims dont determine presidents, votes do.

True. At least for now. My guess is that the game is to increase the percentage of the population who believes that Biden was illegitimately elected, giving cover for the Republican Senate's sure to follow obstructionism. And the long game is to have the American population trust the legitimacy of elections less and less, making it easier to move towards a more autocratic rule.
These tactics were used in Europe a hundred years ago, in Russia since Putin came to power and I'm sure various times in South America in the last century. I'm not (yet, necessarily) saying that exactly the same is happening here now, but they may be trying to see how far they can take this.

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55 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Those people are not simply going to go away. 

It simply boggles the mind that so many Americans were and are willing to overlook or even find desirable the many character flaws of Trump. And it is not just Americans, he has many Canadian fans as well. Including my brother who I just agree not to speak of the matter with. I simply do not understand it.

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27 minutes ago, mbohu said:



BTW: Does anyone remember how Bush vs. Gore was able to make its way all the way to the Supreme court in what must have been a matter of days?

Matter of days? Well yes I suppose. But about 30 of them. Bush v Gore reached the SCOTUS on Dec.8 and was settled on the 12th.

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1 minute ago, gowlerk said:

Matter of days? Well yes I suppose. But about 30 of them. Bush v Gore reached the SCOTUS on Dec.8 and was settled on the 12th.

I see. And that was enough time to halt the counting? I know, it was a re-count, but that seems like a lot of time, even for a re-count. I remember it being fast enough to stop the counting before it could reach a conclusion.

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8 minutes ago, mbohu said:

I see. And that was enough time to halt the counting? I know, it was a re-count, but that seems like a lot of time, even for a re-count. I remember it being fast enough to stop the counting before it could reach a conclusion.

There was a recount done. What was stopped was an even more detailed recount being done manually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore

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59 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

It simply boggles the mind that so many Americans were and are willing to overlook or even find desirable the many character flaws of Trump. And it is not just Americans, he has many Canadian fans as well. Including my brother who I just agree not to speak of the matter with. I simply do not understand it.

Hi Ken,

Re:  'I simply do not understand it.'

Nor do I.  I simply cannot wrap my head around how anyone can conclude that Trump is good for this country ( or any country ).

IMO they might just as well argue that the earth is flat.

Jerry Baumchen

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2 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Ken,

Re:  'I simply do not understand it.'

Nor do I.  I simply cannot wrap my head around how anyone can conclude that Trump is good for this country ( or any country ).

IMO they might just as well argue that the earth is flat.

Jerry Baumchen

45% of trump voters voted for him for his performance regarding the economy. Evidently there were six trillion reasons why their children shouldn't want that. But facts, reason and trump voters are like oil and water.

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6 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Nor do I.  I simply cannot wrap my head around how anyone can conclude that Trump is good for this country ( or any country ).

He opposes those who right wing media has defined as the enemy.  Simple as that.

The more sane Trumpies think that means opposing Nancy Pelosi and her "socialist takeover of the US" or whatever today's meme is.
The less sane ones think that means stopping Hillary Clinton from drinking the blood of the children she tortures and sells to pedophiles.

And pull media allows anyone who believes any of the above theories to get all the "evidence" they need to support it.

 

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Hi folks,

By now, almost everyone knows that Trump lies all of the time.  However, I noticed he was recently very truthful:  "I’ve said very strongly that mail-in ballots are going to end up being a disaster,” he said. “It’s getting worse and worse every day."

https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20201103-election/

Sometimes the truth hurts.

Jerry Baumchen

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19 minutes ago, billvon said:

Come now Joe.  Is there anyone who doesn't read that epicurean delight?

Few, I'm certain. On that excursion we stayed in a room on the second floor of the station above the common area in the terminal. Dip toilet and shower, etc. Not recommended by Conde' Nast as I recall but only 2 bucks. Below, sleeping on the floor, was an Indian Army unit of at least a couple hundred soldiers. At 4 AM all hell broke loose outside on the track side. I looked out to see the unit's brass band marching up and down the platform out of step and sync but blowing and beating with a vigor. The dosa's were extra good that morning.

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Wow, as an non Us voter and just a spectator as the rest of the world, all I can say wow, Im totally speachless after seing him after his speach this morning. 

It turns out as we or I thought it was going to be, but still,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

 

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Looks highly likely that PA is going to Biden.  He may not end up with much of a lead, maybe 20k vote or a bit better.

I'm heading to bed early -- ski pass requires reservations to ski this season (covid restrictions), so I need to be at my computer before 6am, when the reservations window opens.  I've heard that they have sold more season passes than usual this year, maybe because only pass holders can reserve ahead before December 8, so getting Christmas week may be iffy.

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4 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I keep seeing links and references to Faux News. 

Get real. I wouldn't take Faux News' word if they told me day was light and night was dark. 

But remember: Fox was the first to call AZ for Biden, thereby throwing the man-baby into a hissy fit. 

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15 hours ago, airdvr said:

What would the reasoning be that you would want to keep Republican observers from watching the ballot count?

From Heather Cox Richardson:

 

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His legal team has been filing lawsuits to challenge ballot counting, but the suits are frivolous, and keep getting thrown out. They are designed not to win legal points, but rather to do what Trump has always done politically: create a narrative that makes his supporters believe something that is not true. So, for example, his team has sued to have Republican observers in ballot counting areas, only to have to admit to a judge that they already have observers there. They are not righting a wrong; they are trying to set Trump’s supporters up to believe a lie.

The election officials weren't 'keeping Republican observers from watching'.

Trump was flat out lying. 

As he's done over and over in the past.

And the gullible fools fall for it.
Again.

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19 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

From Heather Cox Richardson:

 

The election officials weren't 'keeping Republican observers from watching'.

Trump was flat out lying. 

As he's done over and over in the past.

And the gullible fools fall for it.
Again.

He can scream and cry all he wants now, with PA in the bag it's over. Unless Trump resigns for a Pence pardon Biden will be President #46. 

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