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29 minutes ago, TriGirl said:

I’m surprised no one has posted since the debate began, so I’ll start.

I was impressed by how Joe Biden kept his cool. I wasn’t surprised by the president’s behavior (but was disgusted).

And though I couldn’t stand to listen continuously (had to keep coming back to it), I was pleased that Chris Wallace at least made a valiant attempt to hold them both accountable to the rules (one needed it more than the other, of course). If this happens in the next debate, I would like to see the moderator just turn off the offender’s microphone and allow the candidate who holds the floor to have their time uninterrupted.

So — discuss!

I got what I wanted from Biden. He called him a liar, a clown etc.. Certainly it would be a better world if that wasn't a requirement. Trump was an uncontrolled embarrassment to anyone still sensitive to that sort of thing. I have no doubt that each and everyone of his supporters are thrilled. I further have no doubt that none of them have any clue that Trump just openly branded himself as both racist and anti-constitutionalist. 

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1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

 I have no doubt that each and everyone of his supporters are thrilled. I further have no doubt that none of them have any clue that Trump just openly branded himself as both racist and anti-constitutionalist. 

Many of them are racist, and few actually have a high-school understanding of the Constitution -- very few could pass the immigrant citizenship written test.

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4 hours ago, TriGirl said:

If this happens in the next debate, I would like to see the moderator just turn off the offender’s microphone and allow the candidate who holds the floor to have their time uninterrupted.

That's what I was thinking as well... 

I just deleted a long rant...  But suffice it to say, the rest of the world is watching in horror. 

In 2016, I lacked the imagination to foresee JUST how horrible things would get...  In 2020, I'm TERRIFIED of what the future holds.  Because like it or not, the result of your elections has far-reaching consequences for all of us.

ETA: I wish I knew more about the historical fall of every single "great" Empire and what the world looked like just before and also immediately after...  More chaos??  Less??  I'm afraid to research it!  Maybe it's like typing your symptoms into Google...  Last time I did that the result overwhelmingly suggested I definitely had prostate cancer*

(*that's a joke, but not far from the truth!!)

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8 hours ago, TriGirl said:

 If this happens in the next debate, I would like to see the moderator just turn off the offender’s microphone and allow the candidate who holds the floor to have their time uninterrupted.

Boy wouldn't that be fun!

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3 hours ago, Nataly said:

That's what I was thinking as well... 

I just deleted a long rant...  But suffice it to say, the rest of the world is watching in horror. 

In 2016, I lacked the imagination to foresee JUST how horrible things would get...  In 2020, I'm TERRIFIED of what the future holds.  Because like it or not, the result of your elections has far-reaching consequences for all of us.

ETA: I wish I knew more about the historical fall of every single "great" Empire and what the world looked like just before and also immediately after...  More chaos??  Less??  I'm afraid to research it!  Maybe it's like typing your symptoms into Google...  Last time I did that the result overwhelmingly suggested I definitely had prostate cancer*

(*that's a joke, but not far from the truth!!)

Very close. trump made a statement for his supporters to "standby" President Trump Was Asked to Condemn White Supremacists. He Gave Them 'a Huge Win' Instead

Above from Time Magazine.today.

Coronavirus: Chinese economy bounces back into growth. BBC

China’s Economy Is Bouncing Back—And Gaining Ground on the U.S.. Wall Street Journal

The rest of the world understands how the US dropped seven places in global competitiveness in the last three years.

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6 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

I did not watch it. I knew better. I waiting for the morning reviews. The biggest take away I have heard is this:

"Stand back and stand by,"          Nothing more needs to be said.

Ditto and agree.

On a major US news channel prior to the debate a interviewer went to talk to a group of farmers. Without exception they cheered the China tariff battle because trump paid them enormous subsidies. As such he proved he lived up to his "promises". They could have mixed chants of "me" with "trump" and delivered an effective election chant.

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I didn't watch it either -- my husband gave up about 10 minute in. But my FB feed indicates that most of the Trumpies either though he won handily, or that both were rude and therefore they're still voting for Trump, or that Chris Wallace was rude to interrupt Trump.

One person said "just watch the reaction if they turn Trump's mike off."

Wendy P.

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I don't recall belligerence and bullying being part of the instructions for debate that I had - but that was a long time ago.

 

I thing the very first question in the next debate should be: "Do you agree to comply by the rules that your campaign agreed to?  Yes or no?"  And at the first violation, the event ends.

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19 minutes ago, ryoder said:

Does your health insurance cover PTSD? :-(

 

One of the good things about living over here is that it probably *is* covered on the regular public health care that all residents are entitled to.

Damn...  I can see why some people are so anti-socialism...  I mean, I am not the first to say it, but who in their right mind would want:

- well-maintained roads

- access to good education for everyone

- access to excellent health care for everyone

Yeah...  So awful.

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21 minutes ago, Nataly said:

I can see why some people are so anti-socialism...  I mean, I am not the first to say it, but who in their right mind would want:

- well-maintained roads

- access to good education for everyone

- access to excellent health care for everyone

Mostly those who live in a divided society and perceive those who don't already have those things as undeserving and feel it is a zero sum game that they will lose when others gain.

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1 minute ago, gowlerk said:

Mostly those who live in a divided society and perceive those who don't already have those things as undeserving and feel it is a zero sum game that they will lose when others gain.

Or maybe the word has been so vilified that even "rational" people don't understand its true meaning...

I can think of other words like that.  "Feminism" comes to mind.

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2 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Mostly those who live in a divided society and perceive those who don't already have those things as undeserving and feel it is a zero sum game that they will lose when others gain.

Well, some people measure themselves only in relationship to others, so any gain by those others are seen as a loss to them. But what you are is what you are, not how you compare to the Joneses...

Wendy P.

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8 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Also the morons who have been conned into believing that any sort of 'social program' is a slippery slope that will lead to government control over every aspect of our lives. 

No, I'm not kidding. I know far too many fools who believe that.

We're self-sufficient 'Muricans! We don' need any of that thar nanny state socialism!>:(

But don't you even think about touching our Social Security and Medicare!!!

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26 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Also the morons who have been conned into believing that any sort of 'social program' is a slippery slope that will lead to government control over every aspect of our lives. 

No, I'm not kidding. I know far too many fools who believe that.

Yup.  And sadly they are so brainwashed they appear not to even realise that a lot of socialist programs are ALREADY in place within the US...  To the great benefit of everyone.

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Watched the whole thing. Agreed with CNN's summation, it was a shit show.

Biden come across as old, just old. Hard to rally behind him I find.

Trump is classless, clueless, crass, racist. All the things that we all knew about him already. All the things his supporters love about him. All the things people who say they don't really support him, but sort of do, tolerate because it still serves their purpose. He fully embodied the American caricature.

The whole thing was a disgrace an utter total disgrace.

Lastly, there is no doubt now that Trump is a racist. He has now made it abundantly clear. hence, as far as I am concerned, any supporter of trump is a racist as well.

Not even touching on Trump's attacks on Biden's sons.

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16 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Watched the whole thing. Agreed with CNN's summation, it was a shit show.

Biden come across as old, just old. Hard to rally behind him I find.

Trump is classless, clueless, crass, racist. All the things that we all knew about him already. All the things his supporters love about him. All the things people who say they don't really support him, but sort of do, tolerate because it still serves their purpose. He fully embodied the American caricature.

The whole thing was a disgrace an utter total disgrace.

Lastly, there is no doubt now that Trump is a racist. He has now made it abundantly clear. hence, as far as I am concerned, any supporter of trump is a racist as well.

Not even touching on Trump's attacks on Biden's sons.

His supporters aren't racists, too. They're simply unwoke. They must be engaged with courteous, respectful dialogue and given loving hugs. Most importantly, no matter how obviously racist they are, do not call them racists. 

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