jakee 1,254 #51 August 26, 2020 5 hours ago, turtlespeed said: When have I claimed that? I twice asked you what the truth was and your response was 'watch the video'. Therefore you must think the entire video is true. Again, not great for your claims of being a centreist when you swallow up Republican campaign videos and believe every word of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #52 August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, jakee said: I twice asked you what the truth was and your response was 'watch the video'. Therefore you must think the entire video is true. Again, not great for your claims of being a centreist when you swallow up Republican campaign videos and believe every word of them. Enlighten us with what you don't think is true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,120 #53 August 26, 2020 10 hours ago, gowlerk said: Some sort of public service for the young is often a popular idea amongst people our age. Not that many 18-year-olds support it though. I’m wondering how much public service time you put in in your 18th year of life? I’ve been for it since i was in my 30’s. When I was 17, I did spend a summer in volunteer work away from home. Something like that is VERY universal is part of the landscape. When it’s something you can pay your way out of it becomes a much less effective thing in highlighting the shared parts of our country. Wendy P. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #54 August 26, 2020 10 hours ago, Coreece said: This link here gives a little detail about that question. You can then click the see more link to view additional details. From first Link: These responses help create statistics about this ethnic group. This helps federal agencies monitor compliance with anti-discrimination provisions, such as those in the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act. From Second Link We ask the question this way to comply with the federal government’s standards—provided by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget—for collecting data on race and Hispanic origin. It seems they just want an accurate count of this group without any confusion. I'm guessing it helps to make sure that the proper funding is available for them regardless if they identify as white or whatever else. I remember I was researching the demographics of a certain city, (I forget which one) and it said that it was 60% white. I said that can't be right - that would ruin my entire argument, lol - but with a closer look it showed that of that 60% that identified as white, 80% were Hispanic/Latino. This kind of reminds me of another off topic issue regarding a commercial for a PrEP drug for HIV. When prescribing the medication, doctors apparently don't care about what gender you identify as, they only care about what "gender you were assigned at birth," since the drug wasn't safe for females. Thanks for your effort and clarification. What I was fishing for is this, I am not a racist because I want a wall on the southern border. I want national security enhanced by restricting illegals. I don't care what flavor they are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #55 August 26, 2020 The thread title really says it all. It emphasizes the almost complete absence of black GOP representatives and senators, along with the attitude of the thread's author. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #56 August 26, 2020 41 minutes ago, kallend said: The thread title really says it all. It emphasizes the almost complete absence of black GOP representatives and senators, along with the attitude of the thread's author. I'm surprised it took 55 posts before someone played the race card. Well done John. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #57 August 26, 2020 13 hours ago, airdvr said: How do you solve inner city problems? One word...jobs. How do you bring back employers? make it a business friendly environment. I know business and Democrat don't mix well so I'll just leave it at that. After decades of corruption under democrat leadership in Detroit, Democrat mayor Dennis Archer did just that in the mid 90s. He attracted businesses, land developers and big tech companies like Compuware. He brought football back to Downtown Detroit along with a new MLB ballpark and three major hotel casinos including MGM. Employment went up and crime went down, for the first time in a long time the future was looking good and Detroit was no longer the #1 shithole in America, and far from it - so we thought. He won reelection by a landslide but was still threatened with a recall. His opponents said he wasn't black enough, called him an uncle Tom and labeled him a "house negro." He didn't seek a third term, and in 2001 they elected another democract of a different kind, 31 year-old Kwame Kilpatrick, who is still serving out his 28-year federal prison sentence on 24 counts of racketeering, extortion, bribery, conspiracy, fraud and obstruction of Justice during his term. Anything good that has remained as a foundation upon which to rebuild after Kwame and the automotive crisis is there because of Archer. Ya, they're back to being the #1 shithole again as far as crime is concerned, but that is due in large part to almost 200,000 hard working middle class blacks moving out of Detroit when the housing crisis offered them an opportunity for affordable houses in the suburbs and rural areas, while the criminals remained. It was the best thing to happen for blacks since the civil rights movement - it's just too bad it had to happen that way tho. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,905 #58 August 26, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, airdvr said: I'm surprised it took 55 posts before someone played the race card. Well done John. ????? As John said, the title of the thread is implicitly playing the race card. Edited August 26, 2020 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #59 August 26, 2020 I guess so. That's because the black voter base has been so well served by Dems over the last 50 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #60 August 26, 2020 52 minutes ago, airdvr said: I'm surprised it took 55 posts before someone played the race card. Well done John. No, it was played when you wrote the thread title. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #61 August 26, 2020 43 minutes ago, airdvr said: I guess so. That's because the black voter base has been so well served by Dems over the last 50 years. Must be why they keep sending so many black GOP candidates to the House and Senate. Or maybe you're just spouting ignorant nonsense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #62 August 26, 2020 8 hours ago, airdvr said: Enlighten us with what you don't think is true. "Democrats don't want you to see this." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #63 August 26, 2020 29 minutes ago, kallend said: Must be why they keep sending so many black GOP candidates to the House and Senate. Or maybe you're just spouting ignorant nonsense. Perhaps you could work Hitler in there somewhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #64 August 26, 2020 16 hours ago, Phil1111 said: From AP factcheck. It all comes down to the facts that old uneducated white men, i.e. republicans, are now supported by educated Whites, Browns, and all the other colors of the human spectrum. Is that right tho? Don't republicans live in blue states too? Don't they tend to make more money despite being less educated? (45% with an undergrad for reps, 53% for dems) Given that, you might think that republicans contribute more to taxes overall, but it's probably impossible to know - plus you'd also have to consider that the wealthiest tend to lean left. I think it was Forbes that said something about 60% of the top 20 richest people were democrats. (Gates, Warren, etc.) I don't really think it matters either way, I just think your post lacks insight and has nothing to do with the AP fact check article, but nice try. 19 hours ago, Phil1111 said: 9 of the 10 poorest states are Republican. But what does it really mean to be poor, phil? Is it really all just about money to you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,395 #65 August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, airdvr said: Perhaps you could work Hitler in there somewhere. The final post of someone who is badly losing an argument. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #66 August 26, 2020 10 hours ago, airdvr said: Enlighten us with what you don't think is true. The whole video is so vague it's hard to pin down any specific statement she's making. That's why I want Turtle to clarify what exactly he thinks the 'hard truth' is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #67 August 26, 2020 44 minutes ago, billvon said: The final post of someone who is badly losing an argument. I get that you've run out of excuses Bill and are now left to attack the poster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #68 August 26, 2020 4 hours ago, airdvr said: Perhaps you could work Hitler in there somewhere. Godwin strikes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,395 #69 August 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, kallend said: Godwin strikes! You know who else plays the Godwin card all the time? Hitler, that's who! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timski 80 #70 August 26, 2020 8 hours ago, RonD1120 said: Thanks for your effort and clarification. What I was fishing for is this, I am not a racist because I want a wall on the southern border. I want national security enhanced by restricting illegals. I don't care what flavor they are. How long is the border to the north??? How much shoreline does the Coast Guard cover??? OPEN your eyes!! It's all or nothing. All isn't possible. However, we have some serious tech to watch the borders and then dispatch as needed... But I digress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 78 #71 August 26, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, timski said: How long is the border to the north??? How much shoreline does the Coast Guard cover??? OPEN your eyes!! It's all or nothing. All isn't possible. However, we have some serious tech to watch the borders and then dispatch as needed... But I digress. Low-tech thinkers demand low-tech solutions. Edited August 26, 2020 by okalb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,905 #72 August 26, 2020 55 minutes ago, timski said: How long is the border to the north??? How much shoreline does the Coast Guard cover??? OPEN your eyes!! It's all or nothing. All isn't possible. However, we have some serious tech to watch the borders and then dispatch as needed... But I digress. You’ll be safe for at least the rest of the year on the northern front. There is currently a wall of COVID-19 protecting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #73 August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, timski said: How long is the border to the north??? How much shoreline does the Coast Guard cover??? OPEN your eyes!! It's all or nothing. All isn't possible. However, we have some serious tech to watch the borders and then dispatch as needed... But I digress. Isn't that kinda the Trump view on the Covid-19? Just give up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #74 August 27, 2020 49 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Isn't that kinda the Trump view on the Covid-19? Just give up. There is a pretty large area between building a wall and just giving up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #75 August 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: There is a pretty large area between building a wall and just giving up. There's also the very simple fact that the majority of illegal immigrants (and drugs) enter the country through established crossing points. A wall is a huge waste of money. There's a lot better places that the money can be spent. And, of course, the Trumpettes fall for the con that it will cure the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites