jakee 1,426 #451 September 21, 2020 On 9/19/2020 at 11:52 PM, turtlespeed said: Very true, though, isn't it? Strange, after decades of heavy handed, zero tolerance policing, decades of shoot first ask questions later law enforcement and decades of incarcerating citizens at an astronomical rate the result is that Americans are the worst criminals in the western world? Almost sounds like it's worth trying something different. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #452 September 21, 2020 11 hours ago, kallend said: Excluding homicides, it is much the same. Why would you exclude homicides? Are they not violent crimes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,922 #453 September 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Why would you exclude homicides? Are they not violent crimes? Because guns so easily turn what would be just battery into homicides. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #454 September 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, kallend said: Because guns so easily turn what would be just battery into homicides. I agree. That doesn't change the previous question or the answer to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billeisele 130 #455 September 22, 2020 21 hours ago, kallend said: Excluding homicides, it is much the same. But in the fictional, rural, bucolic county of Midsomer, the homicide rate is astronomical. Is this a comment about Chicago? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigbearfng 18 #456 September 22, 2020 On 9/17/2020 at 2:45 PM, wolfriverjoe said: Don't forget that they ALL both passively and actively cover up for those 'bad apples'. None of them will 'rat out' a 'brother officer'. And you know this how??? What a crock. The cops that know how to try and de-escalate a situation (the majority btw) can't stand that ones that want to stir things up and will do what's necessary- it ends up making their jobs a bit easier. For everyone that wants to monday morning quarterback uof incidents I'd love to put you thru the shoot/don't shoot trainers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,922 #457 September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, billeisele said: Is this a comment about Chicago? You ain't got no culture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,138 #458 September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, bigbearfng said: And you know this how??? What a crock. The cops that know how to try and de-escalate a situation (the majority btw) can't stand that ones that want to stir things up and will do what's necessary- it ends up making their jobs a bit easier. For everyone that wants to monday morning quarterback uof incidents I'd love to put you thru the shoot/don't shoot trainers. Four Chicago Police Officers Fired for Cover-Up of Laquan McDonald Shooting Laquan McDonald: At least 16 police officers involved in cover-up over shooting of black teenager, report reveals How Chicago Police Created a False Narrative After Officers Killed Harith Augustus Revealed: officer who killed Rayshard Brooks accused of covering up 2015 shooting Six Cops Charged in Katrina Shootings & Coverup "6,724 cases in which sworn law enforcement officers were arrested during the years 2005 through 2011. The cases involved the arrests of 5,545 individual sworn officers employed by 2,529 nonfederal state and local law enforcement agencies located in 1,205 counties and independent cities in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The findings indicate that nonfederal law enforcement officers were arrested nationwide during 2005-2011 at a rate of 0.72 officers arrested per 1,000 officers, and at a rate of 1.7 officers arrested per 100,000 population nationwide. " Above from "Document Title: Police Integrity Lost:" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigbearfng 18 #459 September 22, 2020 13 hours ago, Phil1111 said: Four Chicago Police Officers Fired for Cover-Up of Laquan McDonald Shooting Laquan McDonald: At least 16 police officers involved in cover-up over shooting of black teenager, report reveals How Chicago Police Created a False Narrative After Officers Killed Harith Augustus Revealed: officer who killed Rayshard Brooks accused of covering up 2015 shooting Six Cops Charged in Katrina Shootings & Coverup "6,724 cases in which sworn law enforcement officers were arrested during the years 2005 through 2011. The cases involved the arrests of 5,545 individual sworn officers employed by 2,529 nonfederal state and local law enforcement agencies located in 1,205 counties and independent cities in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The findings indicate that nonfederal law enforcement officers were arrested nationwide during 2005-2011 at a rate of 0.72 officers arrested per 1,000 officers, and at a rate of 1.7 officers arrested per 100,000 population nationwide. " Above from "Document Title: Police Integrity Lost:" yup, which just goes to show that dirty cops do go down. And the percentage that go down because the cop working next to them wouldn't put up with their bs isn't kept track of-they are just fired by their department/prosecuted done deal. So the earlier statement that all cops cover up is still a crock. Below just one of many examples where other cops took the initiative as soon as they knew about something. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-08/fontana-police-officer-arrested-on-suspicion-of-raping-teen-girl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #460 September 22, 2020 3 hours ago, bigbearfng said: yup, which just goes to show that dirty cops do go down. And the percentage that go down because the cop working next to them wouldn't put up with their bs isn't kept track of-they are just fired by their department/prosecuted done deal. So the earlier statement that all cops cover up is still a crock. Below just one of many examples where other cops took the initiative as soon as they knew about something. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-08/fontana-police-officer-arrested-on-suspicion-of-raping-teen-girl Don't be steppin' on their feels with facts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #461 September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, turtlespeed said: Don't be steppin' on their feels with facts. Fact. singular. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #462 September 23, 2020 6 hours ago, bigbearfng said: yup, which just goes to show that dirty cops do go down. And the percentage that go down because the cop working next to them wouldn't put up with their bs isn't kept track of-they are just fired by their department/prosecuted done deal. So the earlier statement that all cops cover up is still a crock. Below just one of many examples where other cops took the initiative as soon as they knew about something. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-08/fontana-police-officer-arrested-on-suspicion-of-raping-teen-girl Good post, tho I'd hope that even a crooked cop's hypocrisy goes only so far and would report that type of crime regardless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,495 #463 September 23, 2020 6 hours ago, bigbearfng said: yup, which just goes to show that dirty cops do go down. And the percentage that go down because the cop working next to them wouldn't put up with their bs isn't kept track of-they are just fired by their department/prosecuted done deal. So the earlier statement that all cops cover up is still a crock. Below just one of many examples where other cops took the initiative as soon as they knew about something. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-08/fontana-police-officer-arrested-on-suspicion-of-raping-teen-girl You do understand that the McDonald shooting was very typical for the Chicago PD, right? As was the coverup. All the cops on scene knew exactly what had happened. It wasn't a "Shoot/No Shoot" scenario. A cop rolled up on the situation, got out of his car and executed the kid. The cops falsifed reports, intimidated witnesses and destroyed evidence (camera footage from a nearby business). The ONLY reason it came to light is because a cop who saw the video, and couldn't stomach the idea of what happened, called a civil rights group and told them about the video and what it showed. He did so anonymously. He did that because cops who snitch are in serious danger. After the civil rights group found out, they had to pursue a lawsuit to get the video released. The cops refused, and fought and even disobeyed the judges order to release it. They then charged the cop the day before the video was forced to be released. The reason this had made the news the way it did isn't because the way the cops covered it up is rare, it's because the fact that the coverup was exposed is. The reality is that accusations of this sort of behavior have been made for years (decades - forever basically). The fact that video has become so prevalent is the main reason that some of these accusations have begun to gain some traction. Without video proof, it's always been the word of accused criminals against the cops. And the cops made sure they all told the same story, lawyered up behind the union lawyers and the they got away with it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 205 #464 September 23, 2020 (edited) Leave it to Hollywood to put their hypocrisy in writing. Edited September 23, 2020 by airdvr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #465 September 23, 2020 (edited) I think that they must think that they are more important, and relevant than they are. That sentence is clunky. Edited September 23, 2020 by turtlespeed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billeisele 130 #466 September 24, 2020 On 9/21/2020 at 11:07 PM, kallend said: You ain't got no culture. That's possible but what I also don't have is a city with strong guns laws with over 1,550 homicides so far this year. Heck in my area more than half the folks have legal guns and the guns have yet to wake up and go shoot someone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites