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Hypocrisy of the left

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Another fine upstanding protester. One less Democrat vote.

Samantha Shader, 27, of Catskill, NY, was it worth it? Throwing a molotov cocktail at an NYPD van with 4 cops inside. Did your protest achieve your goal? Is the country better off because of your actions? Four counts of attempted murder of a police officer, attempted arson, assault on a cop, criminal possession of a weapon and reckless endangerment. Enjoy your life behind bars. Hope it was worth it for you. In America, we have a constitutional right to be stupid, and you exercised your right last night. Your picture will be in the dictionary when you look up dumbass!

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2 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

I agree that 1st A rights to peaceably assemble should't be suppressed just because they are outside of a certain house.

However, there are going to be cops at just about any protest march. Anywhere. If nothing else, it's a deterrent to stupidity. Or the kind of agent provocateurs we saw in so many of the BLM violence.

Then all citizens should be afforded the same protection.  She isn't anything special.  She works for the public.

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1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

Then all citizens should be afforded the same protection.  She isn't anything special.  She works for the public.

So does Trump. 

 

Oh, wait, that's not true, he works only for himself and his family.

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11 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

He's not advocating the damaging protests, or refusing to enforce the law and order.

 

Note exactly, but he did suggest not being too particular about suspects’ rights (“take the hand off”), as well as offering to pay for the defense of people who attacked liberals, or maybe it was whoever finally took out Hillary Clinton. 
Take it with the same feeling

Wendy P

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54 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

He's not advocating the damaging protests, or refusing to enforce the law and order.

He's told cops to be rough with suspects.  He's told his supporters to hit back.  He's offered to pay for the defense of anyone who commits violence in his name.  He has reminisced about the good old days where protesters were treated "very, very rough."

He has indeed advocated violence.

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35 minutes ago, billvon said:

He's told cops to be rough with suspects.  He's told his supporters to hit back.  He's offered to pay for the defense of anyone who commits violence in his name.  He has reminisced about the good old days where protesters were treated "very, very rough."

He has indeed advocated violence.

A refresher for the memory-impaired among us:

 

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36 minutes ago, billvon said:

He's told cops to be rough with suspects.  He's told his supporters to hit back.  He's offered to pay for the defense of anyone who commits violence in his name.  He has reminisced about the good old days where protesters were treated "very, very rough."

He has indeed advocated violence.

Perhaps - But my statement still stands.

Damaging as in damaging the property of others.  Those peaceful protests.

He tried to send in enforcement.  How did that work out?

Statement still stands.

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2 hours ago, kallend said:

So does Trump. 

 

Oh, wait, that's not true, he works only for himself and his family.

If your only defense of the politician is "Trump does it too!" 

There is no further argument needed, is there?

That's a concession.

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2 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Bill,

I doubt that she will see herself convicted before Nov 3rd.  Even a plea deal would take more than sufficient time for her to cast her vote.

Where does it say that she is a Democrat?

Jerry Baumchen

Jerry - that raises interesting questions. Do convicted folks that are in prison get to vote? What about folks in jail that haven't been convicted but are being held for trial?

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27 minutes ago, billeisele said:

Jerry - that raises interesting questions. Do convicted folks that are in prison get to vote? What about folks in jail that haven't been convicted but are being held for trial?

Until you are convicted as a felon, and even that is subject to certain levels, you can vote.

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1 hour ago, billvon said:

He's told cops to be rough with suspects.  He's told his supporters to hit back.  He's offered to pay for the defense of anyone who commits violence in his name.  He has reminisced about the good old days where protesters were treated "very, very rough."

He has indeed advocated violence.

Jeez Bill, surely you can see that engaging Turtle is futile if the goal is getting him to understand the obvious. Like the rest of American discourse this forum is being dumbed down by the wrong idea that all points of view have value and must be courteously engaged ad nauseam. Turtle should not need to be told what you told him: he should already know it. The reality is that he's playing you just as he plays others. 

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1 hour ago, billeisele said:

Jerry - that raises interesting questions. Do convicted folks that are in prison get to vote? What about folks in jail that haven't been convicted but are being held for trial?

Hi Bill,

It really depends upon the laws in each state.  They do vary.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  IMO if a person has not been convicted, then they should be allowed to vote.  You know, that whole thing about 'innocent until proven guilty.'

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2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Perhaps - But my statement still stands.

Damaging as in damaging the property of others.  Those peaceful protests.

He tried to send in enforcement.  How did that work out?

Statement still stands.

Perhaps?  Are you really factually impaired to that extent?

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On 8/9/2020 at 3:13 AM, olofscience said:

Don't you guys see, Turtle is doing the exact same as Trump - not making any definitive claims, but just trying to sow doubt.

That's because they will need that doubt in November.

Trump hardly knew him? Was he the guy who fetched hamburgers for Pence?

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5 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Trump hardly knew him? Was he the guy who fetched hamburgers for Pence?

The same talking points have worked many times before. These prosecutions must all be apart of the Qanon, deep state witch hunt of the GOP and their agenda.

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2 hours ago, airdvr said:

Yep...kids will mimic the adults.  Thankfully she was relieved of her duties.

Hi airdvr,

I agree.  These types of things are not for the classroom.

She can have all the fun she wants in her local bar, her house, etc., I'm good with that.

Jerry Baumchen

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4 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

It sets a precedent.  So does the teacher.  The teachers precedent is much more deplorable.

But again, how does it demonstrate the hypocrisy of "the left"?

The teacher thing happened nearly 4 years ago. If "the left" rallied around to defend her I'm pretty sure we'd have heard about it by now.

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