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airdvr

Hypocrisy of the left

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6 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I don't disagree Phil, but you can't neuter the entire force and expect them to be able to do their jobs.  And yes, the unions need  reigned in.

I know lots of cops and used to go shooting with them fairly often. They collectively view  criticism of bad cops as an assault on their jobs and personal identity. They are shortchanged by bad pay, poor training and a overemphasis on lethal defense. Lethal defense because the public is always ready to kill them. That every interaction with the public is inherently dangerous and the Glock on the hip is your way home that night.

Specialty training of hostage rescue specialists where they emphasize talking, waiting, listening, deescalation is missing in beat cops. For beat cops its order, expect compliance and resistance licensees lethal force. LE needs more emphasis on backing off, calling more backup, patience and deescalation.

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1 hour ago, airdvr said:

Laws are all we have to differentiate ourselves from chaos.  We need someone to enforce those laws.  Give me examples where LEO murdered someone who was just walking down the street.  These things always start with the victim breaking the law in some fashion.

Look at the Rayshard Brooks video.  There was a very clear point where the cop could have gotten control of the situation with a chokehold.  But that option has been removed.  Not saying Rayshard Brooks should have been shot like that but it might have been avoided altogether if the police had the tools they need to do their jobs.

I understand completely the need for change but we've put the police in no-win situations time and again.

You only reinforce my points. Step away from the obvious fact that law enforcement is a social necessity. No one is arguing otherwise. Nor is anyone arguing that the overwhelming percentage of cops are not good people out doing a hard and sometimes dangerous job well. The argument is that none of that is an explanation, much less an excuse, for killing citizens who are not in the act of harming someone. The argument is that what's missing is a softer touch and some serious, real time, accountability when bad cops do horrible things like shoot someone several times in the back at close range. The argument is that there is no valid argument that we need accept those acts as an inevitable cost of our general societal protective scheme.

 

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2 hours ago, airdvr said:

Laws are all we have to differentiate ourselves from chaos.  We need someone to enforce those laws.  Give me examples where LEO murdered someone who was just walking down the street.  These things always start with the victim breaking the law in some fashion.

Here's a report about a woman just standing inside HER OWN HOUSE shot and killed by police:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/13/fort-worth-police-officer-fatally-shoots-woman-her-home-while-checking-an-open-front-door/

 

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1 hour ago, airdvr said:

I don't disagree Phil, but you can't neuter the entire force and expect them to be able to do their jobs.  And yes, the unions need  reigned in.

Explain why it takes 10 years for British police to kill as many people as US cops kill in an average month.

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11 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Because they don't have the criminal element we have here.

Funny, I remember the days of gun rights arguments here when all you right wingers would be wailing about how incredibly high the crime rate was in the UK because good people couldn't carry guns. 

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5 hours ago, jakee said:

Funny, I remember the days of gun rights arguments here when all you right wingers would be wailing about how incredibly high the crime rate was in the UK because good people couldn't carry guns. 

Well, they need the cause of that to be different now.  Wait a year and it will be because they are English wimps or something.

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1 hour ago, kallend said:

So certain right wingers on here criticized Biden for announcing he'd choose a woman for VP.

I wonder how they will weasel out of Trump's announcement that he will appoint a woman to the SCOTUS vacancy.

They will say "good for him for supporting a woman - I bet the left HATES that!  Hypocrisy much?"

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