turtlespeed 212 #401 September 14, 2020 4 hours ago, brenthutch said: Now that you mention it he did test positive for COVID 19 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiWh_Sur-nrAhUlgnIEHSvXBlQQFjAAegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2Fsections%2Flive-updates-protests-for-racial-justice%2F2020%2F06%2F04%2F869278494%2Fmedical-examiners-autopsy-reveals-george-floyd-had-positive-test-for-coronavirus&usg=AOvVaw1A3IXu2kci_o42qWL7k8hv There ya go - He died of the Rona! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #402 September 17, 2020 Minneapolis City Council alarmed by crime surge after defunding police The Minneapolis Police Department’s crime data shows a rise in assaults, robberies and homicides, as well as property crimes and arson, according to Minnesota Public Radio. More people have been killed in the city in the first nine months of 2020 than those slain in all of last year. Doh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #403 September 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, airdvr said: Minneapolis City Council alarmed by crime surge after defunding police The Minneapolis Police Department’s crime data shows a rise in assaults, robberies and homicides, as well as property crimes and arson, according to Minnesota Public Radio. More people have been killed in the city in the first nine months of 2020 than those slain in all of last year. Doh! As usual cherry picking of news by the right to confuse and mislead. "The Hennepin County Public Defender’s office conducted a similar study this year, analyzing data from June 1, 2019 to May 31, 2020—just days after George Floyd was killed. The office found that Black and East African drivers were 78% of the people searched by the police for moving or equipment violations, and only 12% were white. After being stopped, 41% of white drivers eventually were arrested, compared to only 26% of Black and East African drivers. The Minneapolis Star Tribune verified these findings. To lawyers and activists, the answer appears to be simple: Black Minneapolitans are being targeted—consciously or unconsciously—because of their race. “When I talk to people in the community, Black people know they’re being profiled,” Moriarty, who is white, said. “Nobody stops my car because my tail light’s out and then tries to search it.”... The department has been making an average of 80% fewer traffic stops each week since May 25, the day of Floyd’s death, according to an analysis by Bloomberg CityLab." It’s a particularly striking data point given observations in some U.S. cities that police appear to be quietly disengaging from some parts of their jobs." So instead of protect and serve its let the criminals loose on the public so budgets can be sustained. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #404 September 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, airdvr said: Minneapolis City Council alarmed by crime surge after defunding police The Minneapolis Police Department’s crime data shows a rise in assaults, robberies and homicides, as well as property crimes and arson, according to Minnesota Public Radio. More people have been killed in the city in the first nine months of 2020 than those slain in all of last year. Doh! So two months ago the city council reallocated $1M of the PDs $193M budget, and you think that’s the reason for the increase in homicides over the last nine months? ”Doh” indeed. Edited September 17, 2020 by jakee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #405 September 17, 2020 42 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: As usual cherry picking of news by the right to confuse and mislead. "The Hennepin County Public Defender’s office conducted a similar study this year, analyzing data from June 1, 2019 to May 31, 2020—just days after George Floyd was killed. The office found that Black and East African drivers were 78% of the people searched by the police for moving or equipment violations, and only 12% were white. After being stopped, 41% of white drivers eventually were arrested, compared to only 26% of Black and East African drivers. The Minneapolis Star Tribune verified these findings. To lawyers and activists, the answer appears to be simple: Black Minneapolitans are being targeted—consciously or unconsciously—because of their race. “When I talk to people in the community, Black people know they’re being profiled,” Moriarty, who is white, said. “Nobody stops my car because my tail light’s out and then tries to search it.”... The department has been making an average of 80% fewer traffic stops each week since May 25, the day of Floyd’s death, according to an analysis by Bloomberg CityLab." It’s a particularly striking data point given observations in some U.S. cities that police appear to be quietly disengaging from some parts of their jobs." So instead of protect and serve its let the criminals loose on the public so budgets can be sustained. A lot of folks will never believe the cops need a shorter leash until their own sorry asses are prodded by the shitty end of a police baton. Of course for most, owing to the socioeconomic divide, that will likely never happen. Consequently they will continue believe, but never say out loud, that the affected assholes had it coming and should have taken it quietly according to the plan. It's sort of like when your dad cuffs you up side the head figuring that even if you were innocent you likely did something else so the system is working. Most of us here are along in years it seems. Just for giggles, think about your current relationship with the police. Are you more on guard today then you were 40 years ago? If so, why is that? Is it you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #406 September 17, 2020 51 minutes ago, jakee said: So two months ago the city council reallocated $1M of the PDs $193M budget, and you think that’s the reason for the increase in homicides over the last nine months? ”Doh” indeed. No. I believe what prompted the uptick is the belief by those committing crimes that the PD won't care and won't respond. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #407 September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, airdvr said: No. I believe what prompted the uptick is the belief by those committing crimes that the PD won't care and won't respond. It appears as if you're quite right. But its caused by the police working to rule or just looking the other way. Rather than "protect and serve". Yet you and the right want to keep budgets as is, protect those same unions and behaviors. All in the face that whites seem to be less law abiding than blacks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #408 September 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: It appears as if you're quite right. But its caused by the police working to rule or just looking the other way. Rather than "protect and serve". Yet you and the right want to keep budgets as is, protect those same unions and behaviors. All in the face that whites seem to be less law abiding than blacks. It's caused by the city not supporting the PD. You can spin it any way you want. They've put the PD in a no-win situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #409 September 17, 2020 52 minutes ago, airdvr said: It's caused by the city not supporting the PD. You can spin it any way you want. They've put the PD in a no-win situation. Meanwhile, in Molalla, Oregon, where the city was evacuated due to an encroaching forest fire, they caught two county sheriff's out protecting and serving by spreading rumors that "antifa motherfuckers" were starting fires and looting homes. Helpful as always they further explained-on film-how to shoot the motherfuckers and get away with it. On top of all of the other misery where lives and homes are being lost and people are missing they helped out by freaking people out about leaving their homes vacant while they evacuated and caused the 911 lines to become useless for emergencies. Of course the Clackamas County Sheriff dealt with it firmly by putting them on paid administrative leave until it all goes away. Lovely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #410 September 17, 2020 1 hour ago, airdvr said: It's caused by the city not supporting the PD. You can spin it any way you want. They've put the PD in a no-win situation. Then the honourable thing to do would be to quit. Not do nothing and take a paycheque anyways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #411 September 17, 2020 51 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: Meanwhile, in Molalla, Oregon, where the city was evacuated due to an encroaching forest fire, they caught two county sheriff's out protecting and serving by spreading rumors that "antifa motherfuckers" were starting fires and looting homes. Helpful as always they further explained-on film-how to shoot the motherfuckers and get away with it. On top of all of the other misery where lives and homes are being lost and people are missing they helped out by freaking people out about leaving their homes vacant while they evacuated and caused the 911 lines to become useless for emergencies. Of course the Clackamas County Sheriff dealt with it firmly by putting them on paid administrative leave until it all goes away. Lovely. Always a couple of assholes everywhere. Doesn't mean the entire force is bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #412 September 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, airdvr said: Always a couple of assholes everywhere. Doesn't mean the entire force is bad. You could say the same about any group but with the police there needs to be a higher standard. If for no other reason than because with their protective unions they are all but unaccountable to those who are paying their wages to be protected. Yes there are amazing cops, I have some for friends, but that does not mean that egregious police behavior should not be severely dealt with in ways that send a loud and clear message. I don't see that happening. And while we're at it let's ditch the war suits they wear. The criminals are clearly not impressed so what's the point other than military esprit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,911 #413 September 17, 2020 2 hours ago, airdvr said: It's caused by the city not supporting the PD. You can spin it any way you want. They've put the PD in a no-win situation. 13 minutes ago, airdvr said: Always a couple of assholes everywhere. Doesn't mean the entire force is bad. It means the PD are in need of reform of some kind. And it is more than a couple assholes. It is a culture that rejects accountability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #414 September 17, 2020 1 hour ago, airdvr said: Always a couple of assholes everywhere. Doesn't mean the entire force is bad. So like protesters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #415 September 17, 2020 2 hours ago, SkyDekker said: So like protesters. No...it's not the protesters that are looting and setting fires. Once you destroy property you are no longer a protester. And, once a LEO steps outside of the bounds of the law he is no longer fit for duty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #416 September 17, 2020 Just now, airdvr said: No...it's not the protesters that are looting and setting fires. Once you destroy property you are no longer a protester. And, once a LEO steps outside of the bounds of the law he is no longer fit for duty. Except that when LEO steps out of bounds they tend to be put on paid administrative leave for a few years. Generally even if fired, they get rehired by another agency. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #417 September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, airdvr said: No...it's not the protesters that are looting and setting fires. Once you destroy property you are no longer a protester. Must be time to dig out the Boston Tea Party picture again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #418 September 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, kallend said: Must be time to dig out the Boston Tea Party picture again. As long as you include a side note that says Geo Washington didn't approve of the destruction of property. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,911 #419 September 17, 2020 50 minutes ago, airdvr said: And, once a LEO steps outside of the bounds of the law he is no longer fit for duty. Too bad that seldom leads to consequences for the LEO. They seldom are held responsible and seldom are willing to hold each other responsible. They exist in an "us versus them" world. And that is not going to change without a fight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #420 September 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, gowlerk said: Too bad that seldom leads to consequences for the LEO. They seldom are held responsible and seldom are willing to hold each other responsible. They exist in an "us versus them" world. And that is not going to change without a fight. Don't forget that they ALL both passively and actively cover up for those 'bad apples'. None of them will 'rat out' a 'brother officer'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #421 September 18, 2020 8 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said: Don't forget that they ALL both passively and actively cover up for those 'bad apples'. None of them will 'rat out' a 'brother officer'. Pretty much. There might not be that many "bad apples," but there are even fewer good cops that will rat them out. I shake my head, thinking about my own employers (semiconductor design companies) having similar employee culture. None would have stayed in business. Yes, you get people protecting marginally competent friends, but nobody I ever worked with would protect criminal or grossly incompetent coworkers. Good riddance, and get back to busting our asses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #422 September 18, 2020 16 hours ago, airdvr said: No. I believe what prompted the uptick is the belief by those committing crimes that the PD won't care and won't respond. What did the PD do to make them think that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #423 September 18, 2020 10 hours ago, airdvr said: No...it's not the protesters that are looting and setting fires. Once you destroy property you are no longer a protester. And, once a LEO steps outside of the bounds of the law he is no longer fit for duty. airdvr, you don't get it. You live in a world of forced false equivalencies. Have you never wanted to punch a wall or break something? Can you not imagine being that pissed off or frustrated? Cops sign up to play by different rules. Things have morphed to where they can snub those rules. Few do, that's true. But with cops it shouldn't be a percentage game because, especially now in 2020, they have the power. Life and death power. How is that so hard for you to understand? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #424 September 18, 2020 Laws are all we have to differentiate ourselves from chaos. We need someone to enforce those laws. Give me examples where LEO murdered someone who was just walking down the street. These things always start with the victim breaking the law in some fashion. Look at the Rayshard Brooks video. There was a very clear point where the cop could have gotten control of the situation with a chokehold. But that option has been removed. Not saying Rayshard Brooks should have been shot like that but it might have been avoided altogether if the police had the tools they need to do their jobs. I understand completely the need for change but we've put the police in no-win situations time and again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #425 September 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, airdvr said: Laws are all we have to differentiate ourselves from chaos. We need someone to enforce those laws. Give me examples where LEO murdered someone who was just walking down the street. These things always start with the victim breaking the law in some fashion. Look at the Rayshard Brooks video. There was a very clear point where the cop could have gotten control of the situation with a chokehold. But that option has been removed. Not saying Rayshard Brooks should have been shot like that but it might have been avoided altogether if the police had the tools they need to do their jobs. I understand completely the need for change but we've put the police in no-win situations time and again. So a cop choking someone to death who is already in handcuffs is a no win situation? So someone who is unarmed, shot in the back multiple times is a no win situation? So someone unarmed running away from their car in a traffic stop, with their verified drivers license in the possession of LE.Is shot in the back is a no win situation? The common factor is the refusal of LE to step back from deadly force and deescalate. The continued use of force when the training dictates that in custody means protecting the suspects life. Because the courts deal with punishment not LE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites