billvon 2,380 #301 August 22, 2020 54 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: He's not advocating the damaging protests, or refusing to enforce the law and order. He's told cops to be rough with suspects. He's told his supporters to hit back. He's offered to pay for the defense of anyone who commits violence in his name. He has reminisced about the good old days where protesters were treated "very, very rough." He has indeed advocated violence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,380 #302 August 22, 2020 35 minutes ago, billvon said: He's told cops to be rough with suspects. He's told his supporters to hit back. He's offered to pay for the defense of anyone who commits violence in his name. He has reminisced about the good old days where protesters were treated "very, very rough." He has indeed advocated violence. A refresher for the memory-impaired among us: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #303 August 22, 2020 36 minutes ago, billvon said: He's told cops to be rough with suspects. He's told his supporters to hit back. He's offered to pay for the defense of anyone who commits violence in his name. He has reminisced about the good old days where protesters were treated "very, very rough." He has indeed advocated violence. Perhaps - But my statement still stands. Damaging as in damaging the property of others. Those peaceful protests. He tried to send in enforcement. How did that work out? Statement still stands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #304 August 22, 2020 1 minute ago, ryoder said: A refresher for the memory-impaired among us: Is Biden among us? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #305 August 22, 2020 2 hours ago, kallend said: So does Trump. Oh, wait, that's not true, he works only for himself and his family. If your only defense of the politician is "Trump does it too!" There is no further argument needed, is there? That's a concession. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billeisele 122 #306 August 22, 2020 2 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Bill, I doubt that she will see herself convicted before Nov 3rd. Even a plea deal would take more than sufficient time for her to cast her vote. Where does it say that she is a Democrat? Jerry Baumchen Jerry - that raises interesting questions. Do convicted folks that are in prison get to vote? What about folks in jail that haven't been convicted but are being held for trial? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #307 August 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, billeisele said: Jerry - that raises interesting questions. Do convicted folks that are in prison get to vote? What about folks in jail that haven't been convicted but are being held for trial? Until you are convicted as a felon, and even that is subject to certain levels, you can vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,294 #308 August 22, 2020 1 hour ago, billvon said: He's told cops to be rough with suspects. He's told his supporters to hit back. He's offered to pay for the defense of anyone who commits violence in his name. He has reminisced about the good old days where protesters were treated "very, very rough." He has indeed advocated violence. Jeez Bill, surely you can see that engaging Turtle is futile if the goal is getting him to understand the obvious. Like the rest of American discourse this forum is being dumbed down by the wrong idea that all points of view have value and must be courteously engaged ad nauseam. Turtle should not need to be told what you told him: he should already know it. The reality is that he's playing you just as he plays others. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,046 #309 August 22, 2020 1 hour ago, billeisele said: Jerry - that raises interesting questions. Do convicted folks that are in prison get to vote? What about folks in jail that haven't been convicted but are being held for trial? Hi Bill, It really depends upon the laws in each state. They do vary. Jerry Baumchen PS) IMO if a person has not been convicted, then they should be allowed to vote. You know, that whole thing about 'innocent until proven guilty.' 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,620 #310 August 22, 2020 2 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Perhaps - But my statement still stands. Damaging as in damaging the property of others. Those peaceful protests. He tried to send in enforcement. How did that work out? Statement still stands. Perhaps? Are you really factually impaired to that extent? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 143 #311 August 22, 2020 On 8/9/2020 at 3:13 AM, olofscience said: Don't you guys see, Turtle is doing the exact same as Trump - not making any definitive claims, but just trying to sow doubt. That's because they will need that doubt in November. Trump hardly knew him? Was he the guy who fetched hamburgers for Pence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 908 #312 August 22, 2020 5 hours ago, nigel99 said: Trump hardly knew him? Was he the guy who fetched hamburgers for Pence? The same talking points have worked many times before. These prosecutions must all be apart of the Qanon, deep state witch hunt of the GOP and their agenda. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #313 August 26, 2020 Bette Midler roasted for Melania Trump tweets: 'Get that illegal alien off the stage' A kinder gentler left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,120 #314 August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, airdvr said: Bette Midler roasted for Melania Trump tweets: 'Get that illegal alien off the stage' A kinder gentler left. I think Melania Trump is the perfect illustration of "American Values" and could not better represent Trump's America. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #315 August 29, 2020 Yep...kids will mimic the adults. Thankfully she was relieved of her duties. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,046 #316 August 29, 2020 2 hours ago, airdvr said: Yep...kids will mimic the adults. Thankfully she was relieved of her duties. Hi airdvr, I agree. These types of things are not for the classroom. She can have all the fun she wants in her local bar, her house, etc., I'm good with that. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #317 August 30, 2020 On 8/26/2020 at 7:37 AM, airdvr said: Bette Midler roasted for Melania Trump tweets: 'Get that illegal alien off the stage' A kinder gentler left. I don't really care, do u? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #318 August 30, 2020 46 minutes ago, billvon said: I don't really care, do u? It sets a precedent. So does the teacher. The teachers precedent is much more deplorable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #319 August 30, 2020 4 hours ago, turtlespeed said: It sets a precedent. So does the teacher. The teachers precedent is much more deplorable. But again, how does it demonstrate the hypocrisy of "the left"? The teacher thing happened nearly 4 years ago. If "the left" rallied around to defend her I'm pretty sure we'd have heard about it by now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 908 #320 August 30, 2020 On 8/26/2020 at 9:55 AM, SkyDekker said: I think Melania Trump is the perfect illustration of "American Values" and could not better represent Trump's America. These values "Melania Trump says US deserves ‘total honesty’ from president despite husband’s 20,000 untruths in office". i.e. where the first lady is also a stooge of her husbands party? or Melania Trump was praised for acknowledging racism. But she has also spread false ‘birther’ claims about Obama.? or the sexual escapades of Donald that caused her to refuse to hold his hand in public? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #321 August 30, 2020 5 hours ago, jakee said: But again, how does it demonstrate the hypocrisy of "the left"? The teacher thing happened nearly 4 years ago. If "the left" rallied around to defend her I'm pretty sure we'd have heard about it by now. I was responding to Bill. Not to the OP or in reference to the thread title. But you knew that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #322 August 30, 2020 40 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: I was responding to Bill. Not to the OP or in reference to the thread title. But you knew that. Bill didn't say anything about the teacher. The OP did, as an example of the thread title. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,620 #323 August 30, 2020 3 hours ago, turtlespeed said: I was responding to Bill. Not to the OP or in reference to the thread title. But you knew that. The weaseling is strong with this one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,046 #324 August 30, 2020 1 hour ago, kallend said: The weaseling is strong with this one. Hi John, Less than two days until the end of the month. He has to get them is before the deadline. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #325 August 30, 2020 2 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi John, Less than two days until the end of the month. He has to get them is before the deadline. Jerry Baumchen *in Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites