billvon 2,395 #1 Posted July 11, 2020 A good reminder that SARS-CoV-2 doesn't care what your beliefs about freedom, masks or distancing are: ================== St. Johns County Commissioner Paul Waldron caught the coronavirus and went into septic shock after voting against a motion to mandate masks for county employees last week. His daughter posted on Facebook on July 9 that Waldron “went into septic shock and has many organs struggling.” “He is currently in the most critical of conditions,” she wrote. “I ask you not to doubt the power of prayer.” ================== https://wtfflorida.com/news/madness/commissioner-who-voted-against-masks-in-critical-condition-with-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR3IQQctw4C8XjYiyt5gx5W64XOIsLPRkQE8Ke13tlO9X4sKMmfqvTqHW2k Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #2 July 11, 2020 I'm sure that if he survives, Jesus will get the credit. If he doesn't, well, the Lord works in mysterious ways. Darwin doesn't care what you believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #3 July 11, 2020 7 hours ago, billvon said: A good reminder that SARS-CoV-2 doesn't care what your beliefs about freedom, masks or distancing are: ================== St. Johns County Commissioner Paul Waldron caught the coronavirus and went into septic shock after voting against a motion to mandate masks for county employees last week. His daughter posted on Facebook on July 9 that Waldron “went into septic shock and has many organs struggling.” “He is currently in the most critical of conditions,” she wrote. “I ask you not to doubt the power of prayer.” ================== https://wtfflorida.com/news/madness/commissioner-who-voted-against-masks-in-critical-condition-with-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR3IQQctw4C8XjYiyt5gx5W64XOIsLPRkQE8Ke13tlO9X4sKMmfqvTqHW2k His emphasis should be remdesivir,o2 and other medical treatments, because I personally "doubt the power of prayer." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timski 80 #4 July 11, 2020 I encourage the power of KARMA! Reap what you sow... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #5 July 11, 2020 9 hours ago, Phil1111 said: His emphasis should be remdesivir,o2 and other medical treatments, because I personally "doubt the power of prayer." anti-coagulants and dexamethasone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #6 July 16, 2020 On 7/11/2020 at 8:34 AM, Phil1111 said: I personally "doubt the power of prayer." For some prayer also serves as a form of meditation whereby they receive confirmation on how to approach various issues. For example, one may pray to be protected from covid, then suddenly proverbs 27:12 pops into your head: "The prudent sees danger and hides himself, but the simple go on and suffer for it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,297 #7 July 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, Coreece said: For some prayer also serves as a form of meditation whereby they receive confirmation on how to approach various issues. For example, one may pray to be protected from covid, then suddenly proverbs 27:12 pops into your head: "The prudent sees danger and hides himself, but the simple go on and suffer for it." Do you reckon he was praying he wouldn't get it before he got it or was he maybe distracted by praying for winning lottery numbers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #8 July 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: 26 minutes ago, Coreece said: For some prayer also serves as a form of meditation whereby they receive confirmation on how to approach various issues. For example, one may pray to be protected from covid, then suddenly proverbs 27:12 pops into your head: "The prudent sees danger and hides himself, but the simple go on and suffer for it." Do you reckon he was praying he wouldn't get it before he got it or was he maybe distracted by praying for winning lottery numbers? I don't see any reason to kick this guy or his family when they're down, nor was that my intention. You guys have made your point. Let it serve as an example and move on. May God be merciful to us all when we make mistakes, especially if it's a fatal one. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,297 #9 July 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, Coreece said: I don't see any reason to kick this guy or his family when they're down, nor was that my intention. You guys have made your point. Let it serve as an example and move on. May God be merciful to us all when we make mistakes, especially if it's a fatal one. It's not kicking him when he's down, it's simply observing it wasn't an injustice anymore than if he'd lost his money because he believed keeping it in his armpits was smart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,905 #10 July 16, 2020 (edited) On 7/10/2020 at 11:30 PM, billvon said: St. Johns County Commissioner Paul Waldron caught the coronavirus and went into septic shock after voting against a motion to mandate masks for county employees last week. 31 minutes ago, Coreece said: May God be merciful to us all when we make mistakes, especially if it's a fatal one. The reason people are so hard on guys like this is the effect they have on others. His mistake was one that will probably harm others. Too many officials in the US are making decisions based on political positions rather than medical reasoning. Personally, I am somewhat conflicted. I see a man like this as a symbol and therefore want him to suffer symbolically. I also know that it is wrong to wish bad things for him. In the end none of us have any control over his outcome anyway. If any one of us were in the position of providing him care I am sure we would treat him as well as any other patient. Edited July 16, 2020 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,297 #11 July 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, gowlerk said: I also know that it is wrong to wish bad things for him. Why? What's it take to get you Canadians excited? Puppy kicking? Drunk driving in school zones? Cancelling winter? I'm to where I think it's perfectly appropriate to wish ill on ignorant assholes in positions of power that are selfishly putting others at risk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #12 July 16, 2020 42 minutes ago, Coreece said: I don't see any reason to kick this guy or his family when they're down, nor was that my intention. You guys have made your point. Let it serve as an example and move on. May God be merciful to us all when we make mistakes, especially if it's a fatal one. Since God appears OK with hundreds of thousands dying from His virus, I hope His mercy for His enabler is appropriately calibrated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #13 July 16, 2020 1 hour ago, gowlerk said: The reason people are so hard on guys like this is the effect they have on others. His mistake was one that will probably harm others. Too many officials in the US are making decisions based on political positions rather than medical reasoning. Personally, I am somewhat conflicted. I see a man like this as a symbol and therefore want him to suffer symbolically. I also know that it is wrong to wish bad things for him. In the end none of us have any control over his outcome anyway. If any one of us were in the position of providing him care I am sure we would treat him as well as any other patient. I have changed since I was younger - I no longer wish for suffering on anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,395 #14 July 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Coreece said: May God be merciful to us all when we make mistakes, especially if it's a fatal one. Agreed. And may God have mercy for those who suffer for his mistakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #15 July 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Coreece said: I don't see any reason to kick this guy or his family when they're down, nor was that my intention. You guys have made your point. Let it serve as an example and move on. May God be merciful to us all when we make mistakes, especially if it's a fatal one. I agree but its difficult to forgive those who endanger others and cost other lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #16 July 16, 2020 3 hours ago, turtlespeed said: I have changed since I was younger - I no longer wish for suffering on anyone. There are a few people who I hope get injured just enough to learn a lesson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #17 July 16, 2020 5 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Why? What's it take to get you Canadians excited? Puppy kicking? Drunk driving in school zones? Cancelling winter? I'm to where I think it's perfectly appropriate to wish ill on ignorant assholes in positions of power that are selfishly putting others at risk. I'll admit I'd be happy if trump got covid. Sometimes one has to be sacrificed to save many. Puppy kicking too. 3 hours ago, turtlespeed said: I have changed since I was younger - I no longer wish for suffering on anyone. The stupid I'll have empathy for. The outright evil no. Thats all a part of my conservative past. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #18 July 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: 6 hours ago, Coreece said: I don't see any reason to kick this guy or his family when they're down, nor was that my intention. You guys have made your point. Let it serve as an example and move on. May God be merciful to us all when we make mistakes, especially if it's a fatal one. I agree but its difficult to forgive those who endanger others and cost other lives. Especially over politics. I have no problem with these things being pointed out - I just have no interest in joining your guys' circle jerks and didn't want my post to be seen as such. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,297 #19 July 16, 2020 45 minutes ago, Coreece said: I just have no interest in joining your guys' circle jerks Ah, it's not so bad. Just put on your beats headset and close your eyes and you won't know we're there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #20 July 31, 2020 On 7/16/2020 at 7:51 AM, JoeWeber said: Why? What's it take to get you Canadians excited? Puppy kicking? Drunk driving in school zones? Cancelling winter? I'm to where I think it's perfectly appropriate to wish ill on ignorant assholes in positions of power that are selfishly putting others at risk. Well, this Canadian would definitely chuckle if somebody didn't believe in gravity and jumped out of a plane without a parachute. I'd feel bad for their family, but would definitely feel like he had it coming. I don't see cases like this as any different. As the saying goes: if you are going to be stupid, you better be tough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #21 July 31, 2020 Apparently he's still on a ventilator. I suppose that's better than Herman Cain's outcome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites