SkyDekker 1,287 #676 October 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, olofscience said: Now Exxon is having to deny that they've done something illegal because of Trump thinking out loud in a rally: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1318282942762934272 Calling for campaign donations from federal buildings is illegal too. Graham did it on live TV and nobody cares. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,546 #677 October 20, 2020 Supreme Court denies Pennsylvania GOP request to limit mail-in voting https://www.axios.com/supreme-court-pennsylvania-mail-in-voting-cd322239-57bb-4bae-aabe-a4116e5bf6d5.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,077 #678 October 20, 2020 53 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Calling for campaign donations from federal buildings is illegal too. Graham did it on live TV and nobody cares. Someone cares, only 157 countries left to go and trump can make America #1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #679 October 20, 2020 19 hours ago, Coreece said: 20 hours ago, billvon said: The right wing extremists are getting so extreme that they now consider FOX News to be a bastion of liberal lies. Who specifically are you referring to? Seriously, I'd like to know what you were talking about, or if you were just making things up again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,716 #680 October 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Coreece said: Seriously, I'd like to know what you were talking about, or if you were just making things up again. Several people from Facebook, one person from DZ.com, and even Trump himself now regard FOX News as part of the liberal media. Trump: "FoxNews doesn’t deliver for US anymore. It is so different than it used to be . . . Fox isn’t working for us anymore!” He has switched to OANN. Ron has posted links from OANN and similar far right extremist sites. He's also said that news from FOX is "mainstream media" news, and is thus liberal and not to be trusted. In general, conservatives watch FOX as long as it is telling them exactly what they want to hear. But as Trump (and thus the Republican party) become more and more divorced from reality, even a network that presents truth as seldom as FOX does has become too "real" for many Republicans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,546 #681 October 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, billvon said: Several people from Facebook, one person from DZ.com, and even Trump himself now regard FOX News as part of the liberal media. Trump: "FoxNews doesn’t deliver for US anymore. It is so different than it used to be . . . Fox isn’t working for us anymore!” He has switched to OANN. Ron has posted links from OANN and similar far right extremist sites. He's also said that news from FOX is "mainstream media" news, and is thus liberal and not to be trusted. In general, conservatives watch FOX as long as it is telling them exactly what they want to hear. But as Trump (and thus the Republican party) become more and more divorced from reality, even a network that presents truth as seldom as FOX does has become too "real" for many Republicans. From Heather Cox Richardson this morning: The news broke today that Fox News Channel executives passed on the Biden story, thinking it was not credible. Now, of course, FNC is reporting on the fight over the story, so it is sort of having it both ways, but the fact that the story was too iffy even for FNC speaks volumes. https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/october-19-2020 Obviously, Fox News has become part of the Deep State. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faicon9493 133 #682 October 20, 2020 Donald Trump is this country's greatest self-inflicted wound since the Civil War. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,093 #683 October 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Faicon9493 said: Donald Trump is this country's greatest self-inflicted wound since the Civil War. I would call Vietnam a greater self inflicted wound than Trump. And the D party inflicted it. Edited October 20, 2020 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faicon9493 133 #684 October 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, gowlerk said: I would call Vietnam a greater self inflicted wound than Trump. And the D party inflicted it. Trump could have saved more lives than were killed in Vietnam if not for his lies and incompetence. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,822 #685 October 20, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, gowlerk said: I would call Vietnam a greater self inflicted wound than Trump. And the D party inflicted it. In terms of lives lost, of divisiveness, and of damage to the economy, Vietnam doesn't remotely compare with Trump's damage. Edited October 20, 2020 by kallend Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,077 #686 October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, kallend said: In terms of lives lost, of divisiveness, and of damage to the economy, Vietnam doesn't remotely compare with Trump's damage. "The Vietnam War... killed 58,220 American soldiers and wounded 153,303 more...Basing on the current dollar value, the Vietnam War cost the equivalent of about $1 trillion." Win for trump. $6 trillion wasted during his presidency. "The political scientists surveyed in the Brookings Institution report found Donald Trump — seen here in 2017, shortly after he took office — to be America's the most polarizing president by a wide margin. Trump's pursuit of "fractious policies," including travel bans, were cited as fueling the divisiveness. " Ranked #1 of all time. Once again trump wins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,460 #687 October 20, 2020 5 hours ago, gowlerk said: I would call Vietnam a greater self inflicted wound than Trump. And the D party inflicted it. I'm gonna disagree with that. Viet Nam by itself was a divisive, damaging and deadly (for over 58k Americans) mistake. However, that era had a lot more events and movements that made the 60s as tumultuous as they were. Civil rights and the divisions that happened among that struggle, women's rights, the idea of the 'social safety net', all of those added to the divisiveness and discord of the 60s. Even with the other stuff added on, the damage done during the 60s (the entirety of the 60s) wasn't as bad as the past 5 years (since Trump came on the scene as a viable threat), or even the past 10 (since McConnell & the Rs decided to fuck over the country to stifle Obama). I'm not really old enough to remember it (born in 65), but I've done a fair amount of learning about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 327 #688 October 21, 2020 (edited) So, one topic of the 3rd debate will be Fighting Covid-19. The number of new cases per day has already increased 56% since the first debate, but Trump claims that it is getting better. I expect it will be more like 62% increase by the day of the debate. In Pennsylvania, where Trump declared we are "crushing the virus" at a rally, new cases are up 81% since the first debate. Why don't any of his supporters call him on this shit? Edited October 21, 2020 by headoverheels Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 459 #689 October 21, 2020 41 minutes ago, headoverheels said: Why don't any of his supporters call him on this shit? Too busy digging for dirt on the Bidens. If Barr doesn't start an investigation (because evidence is really dodgy), Trump should replace him with our very own turtlespeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,077 #690 October 21, 2020 6 hours ago, headoverheels said: ... Why don't any of his supporters call him on this shit? 5 hours ago, olofscience said: Too busy digging for dirt on the Bidens. If Barr doesn't start an investigation (because evidence is really dodgy), Trump should replace him with our very own turtlespeed. Sorry, you're wrong its FOX news. When you don't watch any other news channel, don't subscribe to the local newspaper their is no cognitive dissonance. I'd guess "President Donald Trump reportedly walked out of his interview with 60 Minutes’ Lesley Stahl on Tuesday, according to CNN White House Correspondent Kaitlan Collins. “Apparently there was some drama while President Trump was taping his 60 Minutes interview today,” Collins tweeted, adding that the president “abruptly ended his solo." Was all about somebody confronting his lies. So on the week prior to the election he had an opportunity to speak to Americans for ten minutes on a popular news show for seniors. Instead a tantrum results then he tweets about her not wearing a mask( pure vindictive theater). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,546 #691 October 21, 2020 Uh, oh! It looks like Trump's attacks on Hunter Biden aren't working: https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/new-poll-shows-trump-losing-to-hunter-biden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #692 October 22, 2020 I just don't see Joe changing his core values. He's very adamant about what he says here. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJamPyq4/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,546 #693 October 22, 2020 My new favorite campaign poster: 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,077 #694 October 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, ryoder said: My new favorite campaign poster: Any relation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #695 October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Phil1111 said: Any relation? Obviously you're not a golfer 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,338 #696 October 22, 2020 5 hours ago, turtlespeed said: I just don't see Joe changing his core values. Who cares if you refuse to see it? It happens. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/28/progressives-biden-moved-left/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,822 #697 October 22, 2020 9 hours ago, turtlespeed said: I just don't see Joe changing his core values. Do you see Trump changing his: lying, fraud, narcissism, adultery, arrogance, bullying. . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,077 #698 October 22, 2020 12 hours ago, turtlespeed said: I just don't see Joe changing his core values. What are trump's core values as you define them? 3 hours ago, kallend said: Do you see Trump changing his: lying, fraud, narcissism, adultery, arrogance, bullying. . . . Those would properly be describes as his behaviors or attributes. Values would be positive or best attributes of an individual which they would hold up to favorably define their character. They are all true of course but AFAIK trump has never defined nor exhibited any real values. We'll wait for turtlespeed but personally I'm not holding my breath.Naturally his other supporters can chime in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 860 #699 October 22, 2020 18 hours ago, ryoder said: My new favorite campaign poster: It really ties the room together 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,716 #700 October 23, 2020 From the debate: Biden: "You've got 545 kids who have no idea where their parents are." Trump: "Good." No commentary needed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites