headoverheels 291 #351 August 31, 2020 On 8/30/2020 at 11:59 AM, JerryBaumchen said: I've been voting for President since my first vote in '64. IMO it very rare to have 'a couple of good candidates to vote for.' There often are, in the primary. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #352 September 1, 2020 11 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Big, Are you saying you are not going to vote for anyone for President this year? If so, please consider John's comments. Jerry Baumchen PS) However, not voting is a choice that is allowed. “Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.” John Stuart Mill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #353 September 2, 2020 (edited) NPR: Facebook And Twitter Remove Russia-Backed Accounts Targeting Left-Leaning Voters https://peacedata.net/the-peace-data-message-to-our-readers/ And for those who want to see what a Russian propaganda website aimed at left-leaning Americans looks like: https://peacedata.net/ Edited September 2, 2020 by ryoder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #354 September 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, ryoder said: NPR: Facebook And Twitter Remove Russia-Backed Accounts Targeting Left-Leaning Voters https://peacedata.net/the-peace-data-message-to-our-readers/ And for those who want to see what a Russian propaganda website aimed at left-leaning Americans looks like: https://peacedata.net/ NPR: Facebook And Twitter Remove TRUMP BACKED Accounts Targeting Left-Leaning Voters FIFY. "Two weeks ago, William Evanina, director of the United States National Counterintelligence and Security Center, published a somewhat vague warning about various forms of foreign interference in the upcoming election. On Friday, he followed up with a more direct and incriminating one, specifically warning that Russia is working to help reelect Donald Trump. Even more important is what this warning unmistakably implies: that Trump and his Republican allies in Congress are actively cooperating with Russia’s campaign." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #355 September 2, 2020 3 hours ago, ryoder said: NPR: Facebook And Twitter Remove Russia-Backed Accounts Targeting Left-Leaning Voters https://peacedata.net/the-peace-data-message-to-our-readers/ And for those who want to see what a Russian propaganda website aimed at left-leaning Americans looks like: https://peacedata.net/ If any rational human being sees this "We cover stories that are usually untold or kept hidden from the general public." on a media outlet then little mental alarm bells should start going off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigfalls 110 #356 September 2, 2020 On 8/31/2020 at 6:07 PM, kallend said: One of them may not be God's gift to Americans, but the other is awful in almost every conceivable way. Sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils, lest the greater evil should prevail. Sometimes you have to pick someone other than the two evils. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #357 September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Bigfalls said: Sometimes you have to pick someone other than the two evils. Maybe if they’re both passive evils, or fairly equivalent. When one is actively trying to do things you think are negative, and the other simply isn’t countering them enough, that’s a reason to vote for one of them in my book Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #358 September 2, 2020 (edited) Hi folks, 'Research from CIRCLE, a research center at Tufts University, found that nearly 1 in 5 young voters who backed Republicans in 2018 plan to support Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden this year.' https://www.npr.org/2020/09/02/908350700/generation-z-in-the-gop-young-republicans-reflect-on-the-future-of-their-party Jerry Baumchen PS) I just realized that this post is in violation of the posting rules. So let me add: It looks like the future of the RNC may not be what Trump would like to see. Edited September 2, 2020 by JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #359 September 2, 2020 11 hours ago, ryoder said: NPR: Facebook And Twitter Remove Russia-Backed Accounts Targeting Left-Leaning Voters https://peacedata.net/the-peace-data-message-to-our-readers/ And for those who want to see what a Russian propaganda website aimed at left-leaning Americans looks like: https://peacedata.net/ If they're trying to convince people that they're not Russian based they should probably hire a native English speaker for their rebuttal - that thing is *riddled* with grammar errors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #360 September 3, 2020 8 hours ago, Bigfalls said: Sometimes you have to pick someone other than the two evils. And sometimes you have to make the hard decisions to stand up against evil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #361 September 3, 2020 1 hour ago, billvon said: And sometimes you have to make the hard decisions to stand up against evil. And criminals, and looters, and rioters . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 268 #362 September 3, 2020 No one said looters and riot instigators were not to be held accountable. However, it has been common practice to associate them with all demonstrators. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #363 September 3, 2020 12 hours ago, Bigfalls said: Sometimes you have to pick someone other than the two evils. If a voter picks someone other than one of the two evils in a two-horse-race that decides the future of the country then IMO, they're're a moron. And an ignorant, selfish moron, at that. Protest votes don't count. Do we really think anything happens to those ballot papers where you write in an alternative candidate? Do you think there's someone in a back room going 'oh look, if only we'd run this third candidate they would have received so many votes!'? Of course not. Those papers get thrown in the trash and your impact on the world is WASTED. The reason someone writes in or selects a non-valid candidate in a 2 person election is to make themselves feel better. No other reason. It's so they can feel smug about it but have deniability when the elected candidate turns out to be shit. 'Well I didn't vote for him....'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #364 September 3, 2020 3 hours ago, turtlespeed said: And criminals, and looters, and rioters . . . Exactly! So do you want four more years of criminals, murderers, looters and rioters, or do you want to change that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #365 September 3, 2020 4 hours ago, turtlespeed said: And criminals, and looters, and rioters . . . And kill people who are neither, because 'Merca! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #366 September 3, 2020 8 hours ago, yoink said: If a voter picks someone other than one of the two evils in a two-horse-race that decides the future of the country then IMO, they're're a moron. And an ignorant, selfish moron, at that. Protest votes don't count. Do we really think anything happens to those ballot papers where you write in an alternative candidate? Do you think there's someone in a back room going 'oh look, if only we'd run this third candidate they would have received so many votes!'? Of course not. Those papers get thrown in the trash and your impact on the world is WASTED. The reason someone writes in or selects a non-valid candidate in a 2 person election is to make themselves feel better. No other reason. It's so they can feel smug about it but have deniability when the elected candidate turns out to be shit. 'Well I didn't vote for him....'. I will say that with our electoral college vote-by-state system, if you live in a state that’s guaranteed to vote for a given candidate overwhelmingly, then a third party vote is irrelevant. With the churn in this election, those states aren’t as numerous as they were in the last one. And with the current president all but guaranteeing an angry protest and maybe uprising if he doesn’t win, then a large popular vote, even in the safely-opposing states, still matters. And that near promise of his is an important reason to vote. Delegitimize his ass. Wendy P. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #367 September 3, 2020 9 hours ago, yoink said: If a voter picks someone other than one of the two evils in a two-horse-race that decides the future of the country then IMO, they're're a moron. And an ignorant, selfish moron, at that. Protest votes don't count. Do we really think anything happens to those ballot papers where you write in an alternative candidate? Do you think there's someone in a back room going 'oh look, if only we'd run this third candidate they would have received so many votes!'? Of course not. Those papers get thrown in the trash and your impact on the world is WASTED. The reason someone writes in or selects a non-valid candidate in a 2 person election is to make themselves feel better. No other reason. It's so they can feel smug about it but have deniability when the elected candidate turns out to be shit. 'Well I didn't vote for him....'. A write-in vote is not discarded if, and only if, the candidate has registered for the state election. Example: In 2010 Lisa Murkowski lost the GOP senate primary in Alaska. She registered as a write-in candidate, and won the election. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #368 September 3, 2020 Yesterday trump encouraged North Carolina voters to vote twice. Just another day in America where the mob boss instructs his soldato base from the WH. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #369 September 3, 2020 8 hours ago, billvon said: 11 hours ago, turtlespeed said: And criminals, and looters, and rioters . . . Exactly! So do you want four more years of criminals, murderers, looters and rioters, or do you want to change that? Oh, so like domestic terrorists holding the country to ransom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,911 #370 September 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, Coreece said: Oh, so like domestic terrorists holding the country to ransom. Your domestic terrorists are in your cities driving unmarked vans and wearing uniforms with no insignias. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #371 September 3, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, ryoder said: A write-in vote is not discarded if, and only if, the candidate has registered for the state election. Example: In 2010 Lisa Murkowski lost the GOP senate primary in Alaska. She registered as a write-in candidate, and won the election. True enough. Until this election I've not really been passionate about people voting. I never did for nearly 30 years of my life. It simply didn’t seem important - meet the new boss, same as the old boss. However, having seen the damage and danger of the last 4 years I'm now a massive convert. Vote. Vote properly and with understanding of the issues. Edited September 3, 2020 by yoink Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 421 #372 September 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Coreece said: Oh, so like domestic terrorists holding the country to ransom. Yeah, with their completely unreasonable demands that police stop killing minorities... </sarcasm> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #373 September 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Coreece said: Oh, so like domestic terrorists holding the country to ransom. That is 100% correct. And it's getting worse by the year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #374 September 3, 2020 50 minutes ago, billvon said: 3 hours ago, Coreece said: Oh, so like domestic terrorists holding the country to ransom. That is 100% correct. So then why do you keep coming up with idiotic shit to justify it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #375 September 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, Coreece said: So then why do you keep coming up with idiotic shit to justify it? Who's justifying what, exactly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites