National protests against Minneapolis police murderers?

[wolfriverjoe 1,460]

The ALU has filed a lawsuit against the Minneapolis police for targeting journalists.

The claims in the story are very disturbing. For the cops to act that way is appalling. 

 

https://gizmodo.com/minneapolis-cops-sued-for-shooting-beating-and-gassin-1843887290?utm_medium=sharefromsite&fbclid=IwAR1dTG_G5Nz3EGUGFdYeHLyw03_YQ9B63skLq2jNInS2t1XrlIa4AFP2e9U

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10 hours ago, nigel99 said:

WTF!!’ A morally bankrupt country. Honestly the FCC should be fining or sanctioning Fox News for that

https://thehill.com/media/501508-fox-news-apologizes-for-graphic-displaying-stock-performance-after-death-of-george#

How did Fox get this bad?

 

When they started there weren’t ultra political, right? They were just an alternative channel.  Now they’re pretty much state news.

[billvon 2,716]

10 hours ago, nigel99 said:

WTF!!’ A morally bankrupt country. Honestly the FCC should be fining or sanctioning Fox News for that

https://thehill.com/media/501508-fox-news-apologizes-for-graphic-displaying-stock-performance-after-death-of-george#

And keep in mind that this is the same FOX News that has recently turned against Trump.  When you are being called a liar and a fake by a news organization willing to put up that graphic, you know you are in trouble.

[ryoder 1,546]

Video Shows Law Enforcement Officers Slashing Tires at Minneapolis Protests

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/video-officers-slashing-tires-minneapolis-protests.html

 

[Phil1111 1,077]

9 minutes ago, ryoder said:

Video Shows Law Enforcement Officers Slashing Tires at Minneapolis Protests

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/video-officers-slashing-tires-minneapolis-protests.html

 

About a decade ago there was a big program in NYC cracking down on all small crimes. With the presumption that petty crime leads to felonies.

Seems as if LE itself may have the answers. Inside the first database that tracks America’s criminal cops  From 2017

[nigel99 288]

1 hour ago, ryoder said:

Video Shows Law Enforcement Officers Slashing Tires at Minneapolis Protests

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/video-officers-slashing-tires-minneapolis-protests.html

 

Wow, that is messed up and causing criminal damage should be charged. Who is going to police the police?

There is a song ‘fuck the police’ from 1988, it is worth reading the lyrics (or listening to if you like gangster rap)

[gowlerk 2,093]

2 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

Wow, that is messed up and causing criminal damage should be charged. Who is going to police the police?

There is a song ‘fuck the police’ from 1988, it is worth reading the lyrics (or listening to if you like gangster rap)

During the late 60's and early 70's there was a great amount of near hatred directed at the police by many young people. There were slogans tossed around that I would not repeat these days. I hope this kind of animosity never returns, but these are the kind of actions that could lead to it.

[nigel99 288]

24 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

During the late 60's and early 70's there was a great amount of near hatred directed at the police by many young people. There were slogans tossed around that I would not repeat these days. I hope this kind of animosity never returns, but these are the kind of actions that could lead to it.

I’m too young for to have experienced that. The background to the song I posted was LA riots. It doesn’t look like the USA has really learnt or changed. From across the world it does feel like there is a tectonic shirt happening in USA now, although the general feeling is that the US is heading into a period of civil unrest, especially in November 

[nigel99 288]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/predator-drone-spotted-minneapolis-during-153100635.html
This is why I find the 2nd amendment puzzling. IF people took up arms and the US military led by a tyrant was deployed and predators, Apache helicopters etc were deployed your little AR15 is going to get you smoked like you celebrate the killing of foreigners. 
Don’t get me wrong, I would hate to see that happen

[ryoder 1,546]

Anyone notice that among the marchers in Washington DC today is some dude named Mitt Romney?

https://www.axios.com/mitt-romney-black-lives-matter-6ba2262b-59d2-43b6-863e-41fd163a2aa9.html

[billvon 2,716]

7 hours ago, ryoder said:

Video Shows Law Enforcement Officers Slashing Tires at Minneapolis Protests

Hey Turtle, wouldn't it be funny to go up there and put ANTIFA stickers on all the cop's cars?  You'd probably get a big kick out of that.

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6 hours ago, billvon said:

Hey Turtle, wouldn't it be funny to go up there and put ANTIFA stickers on all the cop's cars?  You'd probably get a big kick out of that.

Do you single out the rest of the posters here, or am I special in your mind?

[ryoder 1,546]

 

[kallend 1,822]

52 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Do you single out the rest of the posters here, or am I special in your mind?

Sometimes "obtuse" isn't just an angle.

[Phil1111 1,077]

57 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Do you single out the rest of the posters here, or am I special in your mind?

Everyone you interact with knows you're special.

[turtlespeed 212]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Everyone you interact with knows you're special.

Cute.

[turtlespeed 212]

Here is Josephine county. 

As I understand it - they wanted 300/Yr from homeowners to increase budget funding, and were shot down.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-oregon-raped-911-no-send-home-article-1.1353085?outputType=amp

Minneapolis announced intent to defund their police.

NY is planning the same according to De Blasio.

Should get interesting to see what happens to crime rates.

I hope it goes well.  I fear that it is more of a mistake than it is a benefit.

 

 

[kallend 1,822]

4 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Here is Josephine county. 

As I understand it - they wanted 300/Yr from homeowners to increase budget funding, and were shot down.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-oregon-raped-911-no-send-home-article-1.1353085?outputType=amp

Minneapolis announced intent to defund their police.

NY is planning the same according to De Blasio.

Should get interesting to see what happens to crime rates.

I hope it goes well.  I fear that it is more of a mistake than it is a benefit.

 

 

I don't think you have educated yourself on what "defunding" means in this context.

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33 minutes ago, kallend said:

I don't think you have educated yourself on what "defunding" means in this context.

As far as what CNN has to say about it - It's pretty clear.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/us/what-is-defund-police-trnd/index.html

 

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(CNN)There's a growing group of dissenters who believe Americans can survive without law enforcement as we know it. And Americans, those dissenters believe, may even be better off without it.

 

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Does defunding the police mean disbanding the police?

That depends on who you ask, said Philip McHarris, a doctoral candidate in sociology at Yale University and lead research and policy associate at the Community Resource Hub for Safety and Accountability.

 

 

[kallend 1,822]

7 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

As far as what CNN has to say about it - It's pretty clear.

CNN)There's a growing group of dissenters who believe Americans can survive without law enforcement as we know it. And Americans, those dissenters believe, may even be better off without it.

 

 

 

"As we know it".  

Perhaps the police should do what only police can do, and not be required to do what social workers, teachers, traffic wardens, accident investigators, etc. can do better.

[billvon 2,716]

55 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

 I fear that it is more of a mistake than it is a benefit.

 

I agree.  It's an overreaction to a problem that can be solved in other ways.

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23 minutes ago, billvon said:

I agree.  It's an overreaction to a problem that can be solved in other ways.

In 2014, following the death of Eric Garner, New York police staged a "slowdown" to protest against the criticism. They thought that by doing policing to the bare minimum, the crime rate would be so high that people would beg them back to the streets.

So what happened?

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a new analysis of official statistics shows the opposite: a significant drop in major crime for the period of the slowdown.

The exact reason for this drop is complicated, but in the end, it did not have the effect they thought it would.

Full article here: https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/nyc-cops-did-a-work-stop-yet-crime-dropped/

[turtlespeed 212]

35 minutes ago, billvon said:

I agree.  It's an overreaction to a problem that can be solved in other ways.

I'm actually hoping it works.  I would love a US without such a heavy government police presence.

[turtlespeed 212]

9 minutes ago, olofscience said:

In 2014, following the death of Eric Garner, New York police staged a "slowdown" to protest against the criticism. They thought that by doing policing to the bare minimum, the crime rate would be so high that people would beg them back to the streets.

So what happened?

The exact reason for this drop is complicated, but in the end, it did not have the effect they thought it would.

Full article here: https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/nyc-cops-did-a-work-stop-yet-crime-dropped/

That goes along with a cat looking for mice.  If the cat quits actively looking for the mice - it doesn't find as many.

Using Occam's razor . . .

Edited June 8, 2020 by turtlespeed

[jakee 1,338]

4 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

That goes along with a cat looking for mice.  If the cat quits actively looking for the mice - it doesn't find as many.

Using Occam's razor . . .

How many major crimes do the cops find by being out on the street vs what is reported to them? The crimes referred to in the article are "murder, rape, robbery, felony assault, burglary, grand larceny, and grand theft auto". Like, if my car was nicked or my house was burgled I wouldn't go looking for a cop on the street then give up on reporting the crime if I couldn't physically find one. There are these things called telephones nowadays.