jakee 1,254 #77 June 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, DJL said: Speaking specifically of this cop, there's no indication as to his intent. You can't automatically say it was a white power symbol I didn't automatically say it was. You said it definitely had absolutely nothing to do with white power. Quote any more than you can say someone raising their arm at an angle is a Nazi salute. Even if they're standing in front of crowd of people protesting against Nazis. In this instance, no one is disputing that the sign given is the ok sign. If someone standing in front of an anti nazi crowd gave a gesture that was a nazi salute you'd have to be pretty damn obtuse to argue that they weren't intending to antagonise people who don't like nazis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #78 June 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, DJL said: Speaking specifically of this cop, there's no indication as to his intent. You can't automatically say it was a white power symbol any more than you can say someone raising their arm at an angle is a Nazi salute. Even if they're standing in front of crowd of people protesting against Nazis. Sure, and the guys spraying swastikas might be using it as a symbol of divinity and spirituality. I mean without knowing every single detail, you just don't know. I mean the journalist laying on the ground holding up his credentials and getting pepper sprayed might have asked for it, just so he could have something go viral. I mean, without knowing every detail and seeing the 48 hours leading up to it, you just don't know. If that cop didn't know the meaning of that symbol, joke or not, do you really think he is trained enough to be present at a Black Lives Matter protest? That makes for two more stupid cops, showing exactly what is being protested against. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #79 June 2, 2020 21 hours ago, SkyDekker said: Watch this and maybe you will remember Here is another one for you Oh look, another one Oh look a NYPD officer throwing a white power sign while another one chuckles at it. Turtle, funny that for a guy who always has a come-back, you go silent on a post like this. And you wonder why people make assumptions about you....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #80 June 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Sure, and the guys spraying swastikas might be using it as a symbol of divinity and spirituality. I mean without knowing every single detail, you just don't know. I mean the journalist laying on the ground holding up his credentials and getting pepper sprayed might have asked for it, just so he could have something go viral. I mean, without knowing every detail and seeing the 48 hours leading up to it, you just don't know. If that cop didn't know the meaning of that symbol, joke or not, do you really think he is trained enough to be present at a Black Lives Matter protest? That makes for two more stupid cops, showing exactly what is being protested against. So you can assume the intentions of some but not others? Interesting... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #81 June 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, airdvr said: So you can assume the intentions of some but not others? Interesting... Yes, with just a tiny bit of intelligence one can often reasonably deduce. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #82 June 2, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Yes, with just a tiny bit of intelligence one can often reasonably deduce. So how is it that it works for you? Edited June 2, 2020 by airdvr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #83 June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, DJL said: Sorry but that's a 4 second clip, there's nothing you can draw from that video enabling you to conclude he meant it as a statement of racism. Indeed, maybe he was practicing his SCUBA hand signals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #84 June 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, airdvr said: So how is it that it works for you? Because even my "burns" are smarter than that..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #85 June 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, kallend said: Indeed, maybe he was practicing his SCUBA hand signals. Maybe he was saying OK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #86 June 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, DJL said: Maybe he was saying OK. Maybe you should watch his facial expressions and his body language. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #87 June 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Maybe you should watch his facial expressions and his body language. FOUR. SECOND. CLIP. Looks like he was pissed at someone, that doesn't he decided to flash a white supremacy symbol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #88 June 2, 2020 Just now, DJL said: FOUR. SECOND. CLIP. Looks like he was pissed at someone, that doesn't he decided to flash a white supremacy symbol. Does suggest he would flash a symbol trying to piss somebody else off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #89 June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, jakee said: I didn't automatically say it was. You said it definitely had absolutely nothing to do with white power. In this instance, no one is disputing that the sign given is the ok sign. If someone standing in front of an anti nazi crowd gave a gesture that was a nazi salute you'd have to be pretty damn obtuse to argue that they weren't intending to antagonise people who don't like nazis Yeah, pretty hard to confuse that one. BUT we've all seen tons of pictures made to look like someone is making a Nazi salute when they're just in the middle of a wave. 1 hour ago, jakee said: I didn't automatically say it was. You said it definitely had absolutely nothing to do with white power. That's fair. To move my own goalposts I'm saying that it cannot be said, simply from a slice of video that this guy was attempting to make a symbol regarding white power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #90 June 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, DJL said: FOUR. SECOND. CLIP. Looks like he was pissed at someone, that doesn't he decided to flash a white supremacy symbol. Stop! You're arguing with a man who believes he is intelligent enough to know everyone's intentions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #91 June 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Does suggest he would flash a symbol trying to piss somebody else off. So what, he was sarcastically saying "OK" to someone being an ass to him. I'm waiting for these guys to start using "thumb guns" as their next signal they convince everyone is about white power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #92 June 2, 2020 1 minute ago, DJL said: So what, he was sarcastically saying "OK" to someone being an ass to him. I'm waiting for these guys to start using "thumb guns" as their next signal they convince everyone is about white power. Sure, that could be it. Though they tend to use their knees more for that purpose. But then, you haven't seen the entire clip, so not really sure what happened right...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #93 June 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Sure, that could be it. Though they tend to use their knees more for that purpose. But then, you haven't seen the entire clip, so not really sure what happened right...... Hold your horses. Trump is doing it. RACIST. (Well, that's still true just not in the context of the point I've been trying to make.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #94 June 2, 2020 Just now, DJL said: Hold your horses. Trump is doing it. RACIST. (Well, that's still true just not in the context of the point I've been trying to make.) That's awfully similar to the "I have a black friend" argument. You can do better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #95 June 2, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: That's awfully similar to the "I have a black friend" argument. You can do better. What, you think I'm saying that Trump isn't racist because he's sitting next to Obama? He is racist because his demonstrably is but it can't be said that his OK signals are meant as nods to white nationalists. And by the way that was intended as a point of humor. Edited June 2, 2020 by DJL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #96 June 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, DJL said: What, you think I'm saying that Trump isn't racist because he's sitting next to Obama? He is racist because his demonstrably is but it can't be said that his OK signals are meant as nods to white nationalists. And by the way that was intended as a point of humor. I find very little humour in racism. Wonder if you can spot the differences in these two short videos: one two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #97 June 2, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: I find very little humour in racism. Wonder if you can spot the differences in these two short videos: one two Are you really trying to give me some kind of litmus test on racism? Sure. Keep sending examples. You're barking up the wrong tree. One location is cops sending an armed white guy away from a protest location after sticking a gun in people's face, the other is cops pepper spraying and apprehending a black guy mouthing off to them at a protest location. It's indicative of the exact things they're protesting. There are even better examples of that out there in which white people are breaking windows while the black people are the ones getting arrested. Next? Edited June 2, 2020 by DJL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #98 June 2, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: I find very little humour in racism. What's your statement about "having a black friend"? What does that have to do with the picture? And also, get over yourself. Edited June 2, 2020 by DJL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #99 June 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, DJL said: What's your statement about "having a black friend"? What does that have to do with the picture? Look, somebody is doing a symbol in a non-racist way, therefor it cannot be racist. Look I have a black friend, therefor I cannot be racist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #100 June 2, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Look, somebody is doing a symbol in a non-racist way, therefor it cannot be racist. Look I have a black friend, therefor I cannot be racist. But it can be racist and I'm not saying it cannot. I'm saying you can't take 4 seconds of someone who looks mad and makes the OK signal and say that therefore it's racist any more than you can say you have a black friend and therefore you cannot be racist. This shouldn't be confusing. You really cannot make that automatic assumption with no context or knowledge of the situation. Edited June 2, 2020 by DJL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
