gowlerk 2,100 #226 June 8, 2020 28 minutes ago, olofscience said: The exact reason for this drop is complicated, but in the end, it did not have the effect they thought it would. Gentlemen, let's get the thing straight, once and for all. The policeman isn't there to create disorder; the policeman is there to preserve disorder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,826 #227 June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, turtlespeed said: That goes along with a cat looking for mice. If the cat quits actively looking for the mice - it doesn't find as many. Using Occam's razor . . . Of course, crimes are never discovered unless police are actively looking for them. Makes sense, in an Alice in Wonderland kind of way. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 201 #228 June 8, 2020 Like I said in another post. Let's take the police out of the equation and see how that works. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 463 #229 June 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, airdvr said: Like I said in another post. Let's take the police out of the equation and see how that works. I highly suggest you read the article. That's almost exactly what they tried in 2014. The main difference now is that they want to redirect more funds to community programmes and social support rather than policing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #230 June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, jakee said: How many major crimes do the cops find by being out on the street vs what is reported to them? The crimes referred to in the article are "murder, rape, robbery, felony assault, burglary, grand larceny, and grand theft auto". Like, if my car was nicked or my house was burgled I wouldn't go looking for a cop on the street then give up on reporting the crime if I couldn't physically find one. There are these things called telephones nowadays. How many crimes are reported at all, when you are told that your police force isn't going to do anything with it anyway? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 463 #231 June 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: How many crimes are reported at all, when you are told that your police force isn't going to do anything with it anyway? Again...this exact point is also discussed in the article. Reading highly recommended. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #232 June 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, olofscience said: Again...this exact point is also discussed in the article. Reading highly recommended. Exactly - it was discussed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 463 #233 June 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: How many crimes are reported at all, when you are told that your police force isn't going to do anything with it anyway? Since you don't seem to get it...here's the main argument in the article against that: Quote The drop also lingered for the first few weeks after the slowdown and after public statements reporting that it was over. That also undermines the idea that people weren’t bothering to report crimes because they thought there was no point. It’s not possible to show conclusively that under-reporting doesn’t explain the pattern, but it doesn’t seem like a particularly good explanation. It's an entire section in the article, and there's also the actual research paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0211-5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,347 #234 June 8, 2020 52 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: How many crimes are reported at all, when you are told that your police force isn't going to do anything with it anyway? First, people were not told that. Investigation of major crimes continued while the beat cops were doing there stand down. Second, I'm lucky enough not to have had to claim for theft on my car or home insurance but I imagine they'd want a police report regardless. Third, it was discussed in the article. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,347 #235 June 8, 2020 59 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Exactly - it was discussed. ??? Discussed doesn't mean accepted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,553 #236 June 8, 2020 (edited) Letter from Pelosi and Schumer to Trump. The zinger is in the next-to-last paragraph. Edited June 8, 2020 by ryoder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,826 #237 June 8, 2020 56 minutes ago, ryoder said: Letter from Pelosi and Schumer to Trump. The zinger is in the next-to-last paragraph. Maybe he just wants to inspect the square. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #238 June 9, 2020 Pelosi asked for it? Well now it's never going to be demilitarized by Trump. Hell, he'll expand it further. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,271 #239 June 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, yoink said: Pelosi asked for it? Well now it's never going to be demilitarized by Trump. Hell, he'll expand it further. Hi Will, Maybe that is what she wants. Somehow, I think she knows how to 'play' Trump. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #240 June 9, 2020 5 hours ago, jakee said: ??? Discussed doesn't mean accepted. We agree! Discussed doesn't mean it was right either. The research paper doesn't even mean it is right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 723 #241 June 9, 2020 Wait. What? Local white dude set the PD on fire in MPLS??? Surprise. Not really though. Totally expected. Right up there with the response by the police unions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,347 #242 June 9, 2020 8 hours ago, turtlespeed said: We agree! Discussed doesn't mean it was right either. The research paper doesn't even mean it is right. How is it that we agree when you stated that it was the reason for the drop in crime? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #243 June 9, 2020 7 hours ago, normiss said: Wait. What? Local white dude set the PD on fire in MPLS??? Surprise. Not really though. Totally expected. Right up there with the response by the police unions. White people trying to stand in and appropriate the protests are really quite common. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/politics/democrats-criticized-kente-cloth-trnd/index.html It doesn't seem to end well, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,553 #244 June 9, 2020 Florida police organization offers to hire cops who were fired or resigned over police misconduct https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/brevard-county-florida-police-union-misconduct-trnd/index.html Note this was from the union, not the department. SMH Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,314 #245 June 9, 2020 And he's already apologized (probably under pressure, but pressure couldn't happen to a nicer guy): "did not reflect the sentiment I was trying to convey" Yeah, right. The Sheriff's department has publicly disavowed this as well. Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,739 #246 June 9, 2020 2 hours ago, wmw999 said: And he's already apologized (probably under pressure, but pressure couldn't happen to a nicer guy): "did not reflect the sentiment I was trying to convey" He was just trying to convey that he supports cops who knock down 75 year olds and almost kill them. But then it went through the crazy straw filter of the loser liberal media and came out as something that everyone thought was bad. It's the media's fault for reporting that, not his fault. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,553 #247 June 9, 2020 So the Minneapolis thugs-with-badges didn't just slash tires on a couple cars; They slashed tires on dozens of cars in a Kmart parking lot. This was a lot they had taken over, and which protestors could not reach. https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/09/873110812/police-officers-slashed-car-tires-during-minneapolis-protests-police-agencies-sa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,347 #248 June 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ryoder said: So the Minneapolis thugs-with-badges didn't just slash tires on a couple cars; They slashed tires on dozens of cars in a Kmart parking lot. This was a lot they had taken over, and which protestors could not reach. Sounds like that's going to rumble on for a while. I wonder if they're going to explain why they needed to disable the cars in an area they already cleared and controlled. And how much money they're going to end up spending to compensate the owners. Edited June 9, 2020 by jakee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,462 #249 June 9, 2020 37 minutes ago, jakee said: Sounds like that's going to rumble on for a while. I wonder if they're going to explain why they needed to disable the cars in an area they already cleared and controlled. And how much money they're going to end up spending to compensate the owners. Are the cops going to be charged? Criminal damage to property is a crime (duh). However, if the damage is over $1000, it becomes a felony. It would depend on whether or not all the cars would be lumped into one offense or not. Some good tires can top $1k per set. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,553 #250 June 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said: Are the cops going to be charged? Criminal damage to property is a crime (duh). However, if the damage is over $1000, it becomes a felony. It would depend on whether or not all the cars would be lumped into one offense or not. Some good tires can top $1k per set. I'm sure if a civilian did it, I'm sure they would charge it as one crime to multiple vehicles, just to ensure it was a felony. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
