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On 9/8/2020 at 1:07 PM, SkyDekker said:

Ironically you do not agree with this. You only agree with this if it suits your political view. You are like the NRA, supporting people carrying guns until black people start carrying guns.

The protesting and violence you are so upset with is exactly people fighting for liberty. The liberty to be treated the same way as white people. The liberty of equality. You are not supporting this protest, this fight for liberty. Because you don't agree with that form of liberty.

You are wrong.

I think we agree what the end should be.  Where we differ is how to get there.

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10 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Amazing. I've built up a few companies with respectable revenues but could never see going from $0 to $21.5M in 3.5 years. Doing that R&Ring building internals which requires a lot of planning and ordering and resolving problems is a remarkable achievement. Did it all just end after 3.5 years?

I saw the opportunity in a niche market, wrote the business plan, it was approved, but frankly no one thought it was possible. Conservative company and no rewards for being creative. Maintaining status quo was preferred.

The plan was never properly resourced but we succeeded anyway. It was hard work but the work was plentiful. Just needed to work hard and execute. I used relationships that had been developed in the previous 11 years to give the customer what they needed. Our contracting method was unique and easy. The first six months we finalized processes and set up contractor relationships using a few small projects to get started. We ended the year with $1.5 million in contracts, cash flow positive and made a profit. Second year had one project for $3.5 million and a few small ones. At the start of year 3 we signed a $10.5 million contract. The sales and engineering work had been completed in year 2. Completing the work took 5 months. It took longer than that to develop the contract, negotiate the deal and to get my boss to sign it. Had to chase the turd for days finally cornering him at the department Xmas party, the contract had to be signed by Dec 31. Third year had a few more deals totaling $6 million. The first deal that year is what killed the business.

The government was given exactly what they asked for but complained anyway. I suspected it would be a problem from the start. The Navy had a policy about temperature settings and the tech rep was adamant that even the bowling alley had to comply. I knew that there was no bowling alley in SC that operated at 74 degrees indoor temp. Had 3-4 conversations with the Navy about it during the engineering phase. The specs were clearly noted on the blueprint and in the written contract. The temperature standard was specifically pointed out to the customer and the contract was signed. The work was completed, the HVAC equipment performed better than required, it would cool to 71, but they weren't happy. They wanted 68 degrees but there was no way the equipment could provide that. We spent weeks collecting data to prove the equipment performance exceeded the contract requirements. The Navy contracting officer agreed with us and told the government tech rep we had met the contract requirements. That should have been the end of it but the tech rep went over the contracting officers head to her boss. The boss was a political appointee with no brain. He hounded us for weeks saying, "just fix it, it was our responsibility." Bottom line is he complained up the chain of command providing the Base Commander with false information. The Base Commander went to my president. The order came down the hill to stop what we were doing, "if the customer doesn't appreciate it then why do it" was the reasoning they used. The facts never came out, the company paid them $60K to hire another contractor to replace the HVAC system, and we spent 6 months finishing up the contracts we had already signed. It should be noted that we had renovated 38 buildings over 2 years and this was the only conflict. The tech rep was an idiot.

In that short period of time 1.5 employees added 1.9 cents a share, and no one cared. I would have been much better off taking my energy elsewhere but somehow I thought I could prove to them that I could do it. Well, I did it and they didn't care. No reward for creativity, the status quo was preferred. The customer ended up spending a few million more a year in utility bills than they should of it they had kept us on board. When I retired I checked their bills and they had steadily increased when our work stopped. Prior to that they had been in a notable decline. No punishment for anyone involved in lying, cheating or making bad decisions. In the government there is no P&L statement and there is always money to cover up mistakes.

These type projects are ongoing today. There are now huge companies doing energy savings performance contracting making 100's of millions. We were on the leading edge of that wave providing the same service, using a different contracting method that provided the service for a a lower price. I'm aware of one that was done for $83 million. We discussed that project with the customer and would have done it for $30ish million. Oh well.

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11 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Amazing. I've built up a few companies with respectable revenues but could never see going from $0 to $21.5M in 3.5 years. Doing that R&Ring building internals which requires a lot of planning and ordering and resolving problems is a remarkable achievement. Did it all just end after 3.5 years?

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11 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Amazing. I've built up a few companies with respectable revenues but could never see going from $0 to $21.5M in 3.5 years. Doing that R&Ring building internals which requires a lot of planning and ordering and resolving problems is a remarkable achievement. Did it all just end after 3.5 years?

 

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13 minutes ago, billeisele said:

I saw the opportunity in a niche market, wrote the business plan, it was approved, but frankly no one thought it was possible. Conservative company and no rewards for being creative. Maintaining status quo was preferred.

The plan was never properly resourced but we succeeded anyway. It was hard work but the work was plentiful. Just needed to work hard and execute. I used relationships that had been developed in the previous 11 years to give the customer what they needed. Our contracting method was unique and easy. The first six months we finalized processes and set up contractor relationships using a few small projects to get started. We ended the year with $1.5 million in contracts, cash flow positive and made a profit. Second year had one project for $3.5 million and a few small ones. At the start of year 3 we signed a $10.5 million contract. The sales and engineering work had been completed in year 2. Completing the work took 5 months. It took longer than that to develop the contract, negotiate the deal and to get my boss to sign it. Had to chase the turd for days finally cornering him at the department Xmas party, the contract had to be signed by Dec 31. Third year had a few more deals totaling $6 million. The first deal that year is what killed the business.

The government was given exactly what they asked for but complained anyway. I suspected it would be a problem from the start. The Navy had a policy about temperature settings and the tech rep was adamant that even the bowling alley had to comply. I knew that there was no bowling alley in SC that operated at 74 degrees indoor temp. Had 3-4 conversations with the Navy about it during the engineering phase. The specs were clearly noted on the blueprint and in the written contract. The temperature standard was specifically pointed out to the customer and the contract was signed. The work was completed, the HVAC equipment performed better than required, it would cool to 71, but they weren't happy. They wanted 68 degrees but there was no way the equipment could provide that. We spent weeks collecting data to prove the equipment performance exceeded the contract requirements. The Navy contracting officer agreed with us and told the government tech rep we had met the contract requirements. That should have been the end of it but the tech rep went over the contracting officers head to her boss. The boss was a political appointee with no brain. He hounded us for weeks saying, "just fix it, it was our responsibility." Bottom line is he complained up the chain of command providing the Base Commander with false information. The Base Commander went to my president. The order came down the hill to stop what we were doing, "if the customer doesn't appreciate it then why do it" was the reasoning they used. The facts never came out, the company paid them $60K to hire another contractor to replace the HVAC system, and we spent 6 months finishing up the contracts we had already signed. It should be noted that we had renovated 38 buildings over 2 years and this was the only conflict. The tech rep was an idiot.

In that short period of time 1.5 employees added 1.9 cents a share, and no one cared. I would have been much better off taking my energy elsewhere but somehow I thought I could prove to them that I could do it. Well, I did it and they didn't care. No reward for creativity, the status quo was preferred. The customer ended up spending a few million more a year in utility bills than they should of it they had kept us on board. When I retired I checked their bills and they had steadily increased when our work stopped. Prior to that they had been in a notable decline. No punishment for anyone involved in lying, cheating or making bad decisions. In the government there is no P&L statement and there is always money to cover up mistakes.

These type projects are ongoing today. There are now huge companies doing energy savings performance contracting making 100's of millions. We were on the leading edge of that wave providing the same service, using a different contracting method that provided the service for a a lower price. I'm aware of one that was done for $83 million. We discussed that project with the customer and would have done it for $30ish million. Oh well.

- I have owned and run a couple businesses. One was small and the other one had $21.5 million of revenue in 3.5 years, not to shabby. Also worked for a Fortune 500 size corporation, and a few other small businesses.

 
-I saw the opportunity in a niche market, wrote the business plan, it was approved, but frankly no one thought it was possible. Conservative company and no rewards for being creative. Maintaining status quo was preferred.
 
So, it wasn't a business you owned or ran. You were an employee. Now it makes sense. You expanded your CV for convenience. Similar to your Biden complaint which has us met here today: 
 
-WP - there are plenty of documented whopper lies. He's rarely been in the limelight and folks really didn't care what he said for most of his career. Now that he's decided to try to be important, it does matter. One can't say, "I graduated in the top of my law class", when they finished 76th out of 85. I could go on with dozens more but no need. And yes, Trump has lied plenty. 

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1 hour ago, billeisele said:

- I have owned and run a couple businesses. One was small and the other one had $21.5 million of revenue in 3.5 years, not to shabby....

 

....It took longer than that to develop the contract, negotiate the deal and to get my boss to sign it. 

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20 hours ago, airdvr said:

Bankruptcy is a right offered to everyone.  Some heavy players use it to their advantage and it becomes a strategy for money making.  With the record of bankruptcies and failures would you do business with them?  I'll submit the companies that got into bed with these operations knew the risks and decided to play anyways.

Trump is a con man. He's very good at it.
Pure and simple. 

The idea of getting investors to put up money, getting vendors and contractors to supply and build the business, getting employees to work for it, and then lining his own pockets with all of the money, declaring bankruptcy, leaving the investors, vendors, contractors & employees 'on the hook' for all that they are owed, is despicable.

Doing it over and over again is pretty much Trump's 'business model'. 
He even did it several times with the same casino. By the last time, the bankruptcy judge saw through it.

US banks stopped lending him money because he had shown he wouldn't pay them back. 

So he filed fraudulent paperwork with DeutchBank. And had the Russians help him out.

He also has a long history of suing or threatening to sue anyone who exposes his frauds and cons. So the general knowledge of his history of ripping people off wasn't widely known until fairly recently.

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17 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

US banks stopped lending him money because he had shown he wouldn't pay them back. 

So he filed fraudulent paperwork with DeutchBank. And had the Russians help him out.

I recently caught this intriguing interview on NPR with Tom Burgis, author of "Kleptopia: How Dirty Money Is Conquering the World":

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/03/909423715/dirty-money-kleptopia-and-world-leaders

He is an investigator for the Financial Times. I'm considering buying the book.

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On 9/12/2020 at 12:42 AM, JoeWeber said:

- I have owned and run a couple businesses. One was small and the other one had $21.5 million of revenue in 3.5 years, not to shabby. Also worked for a Fortune 500 size corporation, and a few other small businesses.

 
So, it wasn't a business you owned or ran. You were an employee. Now it makes sense. You expanded your CV for convenience. Similar to your Biden complaint which has us met here today: 

Yes, I didn't make it clear. The, "I have owned" part goes with "One was small", and the, "I have run" goes with "the other one had $21.5 million." It was a separate business operating inside of a large corporation reporting to a VP. We called them mini-business units. They had their own P&L statements and operating goals, much like product lines inside of a manufacturing company. Didn't intentionally mislead but I can see how it could appear that way. 

The overall statement was in reply to a poster that said, "Spoken like someone who has never run a company in their life." It was only to say that, no, that assumption is incorrect.

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39 minutes ago, billeisele said:

Yes, I didn't make it clear. The, "I have owned" part goes with "One was small", and the, "I have run" goes with "the other one had $21.5 million." It was a separate business operating inside of a large corporation reporting to a VP. We called them mini-business units. They had their own P&L statements and operating goals, much like product lines inside of a manufacturing company. Didn't intentionally mislead but I can see how it could appear that way. 

The overall statement was in reply to a poster that said, "Spoken like someone who has never run a company in their life." It was only to say that, no, that assumption is incorrect.

Fair enough. But isn't stating things in a way that can be made to come back to haunt you an easy thing to do? Bill, I saw that you made a mistake and used it purposely to make the point. Smelling some blood, jakee and olof came in for a bite. That's the way it works. Biden blunders and not even his most forceful supporters won't acknowledge that truth. But he isn't a self serving lier and he has an amazing and long history of public service and overcoming personal tragedies. Trumps story does not compare. Who we want as a President should have more to do with character than our own individual self interests. Please give it a second look.

 

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6 hours ago, billeisele said:

Yes, I didn't make it clear. The, "I have owned" part goes with "One was small", and the, "I have run" goes with "the other one had $21.5 million." It was a separate business operating inside of a large corporation reporting to a VP. We called them mini-business units. They had their own P&L statements and operating goals, much like product lines inside of a manufacturing company. Didn't intentionally mislead but I can see how it could appear that way. 

The overall statement was in reply to a poster that said, "Spoken like someone who has never run a company in their life." It was only to say that, no, that assumption is incorrect.

But you also had to have permission for everything you did and had the final say over nothing, which doesn't really sound like running a company to me. It's also rather funny that you're proving your business experience by citing a project you ran for three years, when the reason we're talking about it at all is that you dismissed Biden's business experience because he only ran his own law firm for three years. Can you not see the one sided way you are looking at this?

 

Which reminds me - what are you looking forward to from a Biden/Harris administration? What good things will they do?

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3 hours ago, jakee said:

But you also had to have permission for everything you did and had the final say over nothing, which doesn't really sound like running a company to me. It's also rather funny that you're proving your business experience by citing a project you ran for three years, when the reason we're talking about it at all is that you dismissed Biden's business experience because he only ran his own law firm for three years. Can you not see the one sided way you are looking at this?

 

Which reminds me - what are you looking forward to from a Biden/Harris administration? What good things will they do?

Jakee - actually no. You continue to assume many things. I was told to run the company as if it was mine. Yes, the VP signed the contracts and was briefed on projects exceeding $1 million but there was no daily or weekly oversight. The min-business units were intended to operate in that manner. 

And no, a small period of management or leadership or whatever you want to call it does not qualify one for President. Again, the statement was a reply to another poster about business knowledge not as a resume for President.  

I'm not asking you or anyone else to agree with my views, and we certainly know that no one is changing their mind based on these posts. I'm just saying that folks can look at the same information and draw different conclusions. There are plenty that see it one way and plenty that see it a different way. None are right or wrong, just different. 

As to your question of what good will they do. Well, if they're elected we'll see. A big concern is mental acuity and who is really pulling the strings. I have zero trust in Pelosi, Bernie, AOC or Warren and they seem to be part of the group. Joe's emphatic statement in March 2020 when talking to the factory worker about his "AR-14" stating, "I don't work for you!" is, for me, a problem.

And YES, I have big concerns regardless of who wins. I've been clear on this from the start - both have problems. 

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32 minutes ago, billeisele said:

And no, a small period of management or leadership or whatever you want to call it does not qualify one for President. Again, the statement was a reply to another poster about business knowledge not as a resume for President.  

There are no qualifications for leadership. And that's not what you said. You said Biden has never had a leadership position or real job. So while you completely dismiss the three years he spent running his own business you represent the three years you spent running a project for someone else as if it was a business you built.

 

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As to your question of what good will they do. Well, if they're elected we'll see. A big concern is mental acuity and who is really pulling the strings. I have zero trust in Pelosi, Bernie, AOC or Warren and they seem to be part of the group. Joe's emphatic statement in March 2020 when talking to the factory worker about his "AR-14" stating, "I don't work for you!" is, for me, a problem.

And YES, I have big concerns regardless of who wins. I've been clear on this from the start - both have problems. 

But you also claimed you acknowledged the positives of both sides. You haven't though, all you have done is attack Biden and Harris, and all you have brought to the conversation is negativity. So can you actually do what you claimed to do? Can you tell me the positive things you are looking forward to from the Biden/Harris presidency? Can you tell me the positive things they have done in their careers so far?

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36 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Welcome to what happens when you aren't in lockstep.

More like welcome to what happens when you pretend to be something you’re not. You can explain the drill to him, you have more than enough experience in that area.

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11 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Welcome to what happens when you aren't in lockstep.

It is rather comical how ones words are twisted and misrepresented. One in particular just can't accept that this is simply my opinion. Mine is not more right or wrong than anyone else's but since I don't agree with him I'm wrong. So dumb. And just watch, he won't be able to leave this alone.

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4 hours ago, billeisele said:

It is rather comical how ones words are twisted and misrepresented. One in particular just can't accept that this is simply my opinion. Mine is not more right or wrong than anyone else's but since I don't agree with him I'm wrong. So dumb. And just watch, he won't be able to leave this alone.

Lol, stop whinging. These are your words "Those folks want to point out all the negatives but not acknowledge any shortcomings of others, or acknowledge the positives. I've done both. Until there is some level of fairness in the analysis it's just politics.

 

You haven't done both. That's not a matter of opinion, you literally haven't said a single positive thing about Biden or Harris, yet you're accusing those on the other side of being negative, unfair and political for doing the same about Trump. So what are you looking forward to from a Biden/Harris administration, and/or what positive things have they accomplished in their careers?

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On 9/13/2020 at 6:58 PM, billeisele said:

The, "I have owned" part goes with "One was small", and the, "I have run" goes with "the other one had $21.5 million."

An unregulated explanation, being necessary to the security of a future meaning, the requirement that the first part of a sentence to be related to the last part of a sentence shall not be assumed.

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On 9/14/2020 at 9:21 PM, billeisele said:

It is rather comical how ones words are twisted and misrepresented. One in particular just can't accept that this is simply my opinion. Mine is not more right or wrong than anyone else's but since I don't agree with him I'm wrong. So dumb. And just watch, he won't be able to leave this alone.

Whaddya know - you were right!!

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https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/518309-oregon-governor-declares-state-of-emergency-ahead-of-proud

This should be interesting.

Sounds like there are a LOT of double standards in play here.  It sounds like a lot of blind eyes were turned to the liberal riots and looting, but when the conservatives show up - Tear gas is now permitted. 

What a hypocrite Wheeler is.

 

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3 hours ago, kallend said:

... . . .when the Trump shows up for a photo op with a Bible - Tear gas is now permitted. 

It was never banned for use. 

In this case it was specifically banned for use for crowd control until the governor didn't agree with the politics of the protestors.

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